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Enkidu
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 Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:06 pm Post subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists? |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in news:pklck5-ofd.ln1@75-104-
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But no matter how big a fraction of c you're moving away from me, any
light you emit in my direction is traveling at c. Even we're both
moving
away from each other at a healthy fraction of c, the light we emit is
going to be moving at c when we (or anybody else) measures it.
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Think about it in a different way, say throwing mables off a train at
pedestrians. If the train has a velicity of 10 m/s, and you can throw the
..01 kg marbles at 5 m/s, the marbles would hit pedestrians ahead of the
train with a kinetic energy of 1.125 kgm^2/s^2. Marbles thrown at
pedestrians behind the train would have a kinetic energy of
0.125 kgm^2/s^2.
Light works pretty much the same way, except the difference in energy
between photons emmitted forwards and backwards is not due to differing
velocities of the photons when they hit the pedestrians, but their
differing wavelengths when they hit. Welcome to the Dopler effect.
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Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
"All Bibles are man-made."
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rbwinn
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:01 am Post subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists? |
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On Jul 7, 5:24�pm, Stan-O <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote:
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On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 17:09:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com
wrote:
I have a sneaking suspicion that they never talk to you.
Rather like your relationship with God.
--
Steve O
At one time when I was making mistakes, about half of the posts in
sci.physics.relativity were directed to me. � �Since I arrived at
equations that hold together, scientists do not post to me.
Robert B. Winn
It looks to me like you might be in a few killfiles.
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Maybe. However, the fact remains that the equations I have show light
to be traveling at 186,000 miles per second in two different frames of
reference without the distance contraction that causes anything that
reaches the speed of light to have a length of 0 in the Lorentz
equations. Scientists definitely do not want to discuss those
equations.
Robert B. Winn |
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rbwinn
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:03 am Post subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists? |
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On Jul 7, 7:09 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
<alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
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On Jul 7, 10:08 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
On Jul 6, 8:21 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
On Jul 6, 11:54 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
On Jul 5, 2:31 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
rbwinn wrote:
On Jul 5, 2:42 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
rbwinn wrote:
On Jul 4, 3:22 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
rbwinn wrote:
On Jul 3, 11:28 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
rbwinn wrote:
On Jul 3, 1:55 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
rbwinn wrote:
On Jul 2, 8:35 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
rbwinn wrote:
On Jul 2, 2:03 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
rbwinn wrote:
On Jul 1, 11:59 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
rbwinn wrote:
On Jul 1, 1:04 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
rbwinn wrote:
On Jul 1, 12:20 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
rbwinn wrote:
On Jun 30, 1:19�pm, Enkidu <fox_rgf....@trashmail.net> wrote:
rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in news:22183802-cf28-4305-af11-
7d254b106...@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
You are the one being deliberately obtuse. � The existence of the
tunnel validates many other things said in the Bible about the
Assyrian invasion of Judea.
"The Hobbit" talks of ale, axes, and forests which we know exist. Does that
validate Orcs, Elves, Dwarves, trolls, magic rings, walking trees and Tom
Bombadil?
--
Enkidu AA#2165 �
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
Doesn't anything socialistic make you want to throw up? Like great public
schools, or health insurance for all?
� � �-Kurt Vonnegut
Why don't you decide for yourself? You were the one who thought of
it.
Why don't you try to defend your assertions? How can we know we can
trust what you say?- Hide quoted text -
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It does not matter to me what you trust. You decide what you are
going to trust.
If you can't provide any sensible reason to believe your fanciful
claims, then I guess we're done.- Hide quoted text -
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Fanciful claims? I said that the Jews dug a tunnel as a conduit for
water between Gihon spring and the pool of Siloam.. Why do you think
that is a fanciful claim?
That is not a fanciful claim. You and I both know that I'm referring to
your supernatural claims. Those would be the ones you're completely
unable to support with any evidence.- Hide quoted text -
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I have not made any claims to atheists except that the Jews dug a
tunnel to be used as a conduit for water, and the Assyrians built a
ramp out of dirt to get over the city wall at Lachish. To an atheist
these might seem like supernatural claims because there were actually
people working to accomplish both of these tasks instead of just
giving orders, criticism, etc., the way atheists do.. Since atheists
have been unable to visualize these two events, there is no reason to
proceed on to anything more complex.
Then we're in total agreement. A tunnel was dug a long time ago and it
got mentioned in some ancient writings, providing absolutlely no support
for any supernatural claims.
So why all the posts?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You do not seem to be visualizing it very well. The Assyrians came
into Judea with an army of hundreds of thousands on their way home
after taking a big chunk of Egypt. Judea was a little dot in the
middle of the Assyrian kingdom, which extended from the Caspian Sea to
Egypt. So why was there still a Kingdom of Judea when King
Sennacherib got back to his capitol city of Ninevah? Sennacherib
himself says there was on the column he had erected in Ninevah.
Or so the story goes.- Hide quoted text -
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What do you mean so the story goes? The column erected by Sennacherib
in Ninevah is still there today. He plainly says on it that Hezekiah
paid tribute to him, and he was such a nice guy that he just went home
after he got the money.
Great. Sennacherib went home and left Jerusalem unsacked.. That doesn't
mean that it was due to the angel of the lord slaughtering 185,000
troops in a night.
Why do you favour the oddly magical Biblical account over Sennacherib's?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
186,000 troops. Chaldean historians of the same time said that the
Assyrian army died of plague while besieging Jerusalem, and
Sennacherib fled in great fear back to his own city of Ninevah.
Sennacherib made no mention of losing his army on the column he
erected. He seems to have pretended to his fellow Assyrians that the
army was still somewhere doing something, but his own two sons
murdered him, probably because they were upset about him losing the
army.
So where are God's footprints in all of this? Arguments for both sides
can be made without invoking magic.- Hide quoted text -
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Well, from a military standpoint, the Jews had no chance whatsoever
against the Assyrians. But when it was all over, it was the Assyrian
king who lost everything, including his own life. So I would say, let
atheists of today explain it their way, and let Christians explain it
their way. The Jews explained it by saying that an angel of the Lord
killed 186,000 Assyrian troops. That is a matter of record. It is
recorded in three different books of the Old Testament.
The Old Testament isn't particularly compelling evidence, it suggests
that there was a global flood and special creation over the course of
six days. It might be a "matter of record" on some things, but it is
definitely not on others.- Hide quoted text -
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Well, I am sure the Jews feel bad that you do not like the Old
Testament, but it says what it says. It says in three different
books that an angel of the Lord went through the camp of the Assyrians
and slew 186,000 soldiers.
It also says that the universe was created a handful of thousands of
years ago. The Bible is not reliable.- Hide quoted text -
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Well, as I said before, you atheists believe in relativity of time
unless you are talking about the earth. Then you insist on absolute
time.
Instead you make some ridiculous claims about the relativity of time
completely without evidential basis, or... any rational support at all.
The Earth is older than 6500 thousand years old. Much older. I'll go
with the many independent lines of verification on that one.- Hide quoted text -
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Well, that is fine, but why is relativity of time something that
exists except when talking about the earth?
Robert B. Winn
It's not. All time is relative to a frame of reference, but the
effects of time dilation are very well understood and calculable.
Meaning we can correct for dilation due to the earth's movement, if we
wanted partial second accuracy. To have significant effects on time,
like you are inferring, objects need to move at speeds close to the
speed of light relative to each other.
Al- Hide quoted text -
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The planet Mercury was the first thing used as a proof of the theorry
of relativity, and its velocity is 30 miles per second. At the
velocity of the planet Mercury, my own equations agree with the
Lorentz equations to about six decimal places.The Galilean
transformation equations with absolute time agree to just one or two.
Where the Lorentz equations fall apart is their need for a
distance contraction, which then causes the moving object to disappear
at the speed of light.
Robert B. Winn
Thus physical objects as we understand them cannot travel at the speed
of light.
Where's the problem?
Al
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Well, you forgot about photons, Al. Photons are traveling at the
speed of light.
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Cary Kittrell
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:07 am Post subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists? |
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In article <h70874d1uurc0slj7cd96un0cduge4afbd@4ax.com> Stan-O <bndsna807@aol.com> writes:
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On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 20:37:34 +0000 (UTC), cary@afone.as.arizona.edu
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
Steve O
At one time when I was making mistakes, about half of the posts in
sci.physics.relativity were directed to me. Since I arrived at
equations that hold together, scientists do not post to me.
Robert B. Winn
It looks to me like you might be in a few killfiles.
A few?
Doesn't anyone understand sarcasm? Sheesh!
Um...I think you just blew right by a pretty good
example there..
Now I know how Charlie Brown feels...
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Heh!
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rbwinn
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:09 am Post subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists? |
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On Jul 7, 7:17�pm, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
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On Jul 7, 6:37 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
news:db983fc6-d541-4907-ba1e-103490e27a51@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
It cannot be done. �I talk to scientists in sci.physics.relativity.
That is all I am ever going to do.
Robert B. Winn
I have a sneaking suspicion that they never talk to you.
Rather like your relationship with God.
--
Steve O
a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter)
B.A.A.W.A.
Convicted by Earthquack
Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence
Yes, with a high school education, he can't be pursuing scientific
equations deeply. And he wouldn't have time for scientific things
since religious affair would be more important to him.
Of course there would be others asking questions intellectually,
although with high school standards.- Hide quoted text -
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I go into greater depth than scientists do. What I did, basically, is
to take the equations they threw away, the Galilean transformation
equations, and explained relativity of time with those equations.
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rbwinn
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:11 am Post subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists? |
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On Jul 7, 7:35 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
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"rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
news:b32c04a0-56aa-474b-a1e5-34a5ee711b06@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 7, 3:37�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
news:db983fc6-d541-4907-ba1e-103490e27a51@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com....
It cannot be done. �I talk to scientists in sci.physics.relativity.
That is all I am ever going to do.
Robert B. Winn
I have a sneaking suspicion that they never talk to you.
Rather like your relationship with God.
--
Steve O
At one time when I was making mistakes, about half of the posts in
sci.physics.relativity were directed to me. Since I arrived at
equations that hold together, scientists do not post to me.
Robert B. Winn
Nah, they just gave up and killfiled you, I expect
--
Steve O
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No, I think they just avoid talking to me now that I have the
equations figured out.
Robert B. Winn |
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Stan-O
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:18 am Post subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists? |
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On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 11:40:16 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
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Stan-O wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 17:09:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com
wrote:
I have a sneaking suspicion that they never talk to you.
Rather like your relationship with God.
--
Steve O
At one time when I was making mistakes, about half of the posts in
sci.physics.relativity were directed to me. Since I arrived at
equations that hold together, scientists do not post to me.
Robert B. Winn
It looks to me like you might be in a few killfiles.
A few?
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Doesn't anyone understand sarcasm? Sheesh! |
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rbwinn
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:22 am Post subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists? |
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On Jul 7, 7:46�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote:
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"rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 6, 8:21 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
On Jul 6, 11:54 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
On Jul 5, 2:31 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
rbwinn wrote:
On Jul 5, 2:42 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
rbwinn wrote:
On Jul 4, 3:22 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
rbwinn wrote:
On Jul 3, 11:28 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
rbwinn wrote:
On Jul 3, 1:55 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz
wrote:
rbwinn wrote:
On Jul 2, 8:35 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz
wrote:
rbwinn wrote:
On Jul 2, 2:03 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz
wrote:
rbwinn wrote:
On Jul 1, 11:59 pm, BuddyThunder
nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
rbwinn wrote:
On Jul 1, 1:04 pm, BuddyThunder
nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
rbwinn wrote:
On Jul 1, 12:20 am, BuddyThunder
nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
rbwinn wrote:
On Jun 30, 1:19?pm, Enkidu
fox_rgf...@trashmail.net> wrote:
rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
news:22183802-cf28-4305-af11-
7d254b106...@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
You are the one being deliberately obtuse. ? The
existence of the
tunnel validates many other things said in the
Bible about the
Assyrian invasion of Judea.
"The Hobbit" talks of ale, axes, and forests
which we know exist. Does that
validate Orcs, Elves, Dwarves, trolls, magic
rings, walking trees and Tom
Bombadil?
--
Enkidu AA#2165 ?
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
Doesn't anything socialistic make you want to
throw up? Like great public
schools, or health insurance for all?
? ? ?-Kurt Vonnegut
Why don't you decide for yourself? You were the
one who thought of
it.
Why don't you try to defend your assertions? How
can we know we can
trust what you say?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
It does not matter to me what you trust. You decide
what you are
going to trust.
If you can't provide any sensible reason to believe
your fanciful
claims, then I guess we're done.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Fanciful claims? I said that the Jews dug a tunnel as
a conduit for
water between Gihon spring and the pool of Siloam. Why
do you think
that is a fanciful claim?
That is not a fanciful claim. You and I both know that
I'm referring to
your supernatural claims. Those would be the ones
you're completely
unable to support with any evidence.- Hide quoted
text -
- Show quoted text -
I have not made any claims to atheists except that the
Jews dug a
tunnel to be used as a conduit for water, and the
Assyrians built a
ramp out of dirt to get over the city wall at Lachish..
To an atheist
these might seem like supernatural claims because there
were actually
people working to accomplish both of these tasks instead
of just
giving orders, criticism, etc., the way atheists do.
Since atheists
have been unable to visualize these two events, there is
no reason to
proceed on to anything more complex.
Then we're in total agreement. A tunnel was dug a long
time ago and it
got mentioned in some ancient writings, providing
absolutlely no support
for any supernatural claims.
So why all the posts?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You do not seem to be visualizing it very well. The
Assyrians came
into Judea with an army of hundreds of thousands on their
way home
after taking a big chunk of Egypt. Judea was a little dot
in the
middle of the Assyrian kingdom, which extended from the
Caspian Sea to
Egypt. So why was there still a Kingdom of Judea when King
Sennacherib got back to his capitol city of Ninevah?
Sennacherib
himself says there was on the column he had erected in
Ninevah.
Or so the story goes.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
What do you mean so the story goes? The column erected by
Sennacherib
in Ninevah is still there today. He plainly says on it that
Hezekiah
paid tribute to him, and he was such a nice guy that he just
went home
after he got the money.
Great. Sennacherib went home and left Jerusalem unsacked.
That doesn't
mean that it was due to the angel of the lord slaughtering
185,000
troops in a night.
Why do you favour the oddly magical Biblical account over
Sennacherib's?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
186,000 troops. Chaldean historians of the same time said that
the
Assyrian army died of plague while besieging Jerusalem, and
Sennacherib fled in great fear back to his own city of
Ninevah.
Sennacherib made no mention of losing his army on the column
he
erected. He seems to have pretended to his fellow Assyrians
that the
army was still somewhere doing something, but his own two sons
murdered him, probably because they were upset about him
losing the
army.
So where are God's footprints in all of this? Arguments for
both sides
can be made without invoking magic.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Well, from a military standpoint, the Jews had no chance
whatsoever
against the Assyrians. But when it was all over, it was the
Assyrian
king who lost everything, including his own life. So I would
say, let
atheists of today explain it their way, and let Christians
explain it
their way. The Jews explained it by saying that an angel of the
Lord
killed 186,000 Assyrian troops. That is a matter of record. It
is
recorded in three different books of the Old Testament.
The Old Testament isn't particularly compelling evidence, it
suggests
that there was a global flood and special creation over the
course of
six days. It might be a "matter of record" on some things, but it
is
definitely not on others.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Well, I am sure the Jews feel bad that you do not like the Old
Testament, but it says what it says. It says in three different
books that an angel of the Lord went through the camp of the
Assyrians
and slew 186,000 soldiers.
It also says that the universe was created a handful of thousands
of
years ago. The Bible is not reliable.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Well, as I said before, you atheists believe in relativity of time
unless you are talking about the earth. Then you insist on absolute
time.
Instead you make some ridiculous claims about the relativity of time
completely without evidential basis, or... any rational support at
all.
The Earth is older than 6500 thousand years old. Much older. I'll go
with the many independent lines of verification on that one.- Hide
quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Well, that is fine, but why is relativity of time something that
exists except when talking about the earth?
Robert B. Winn
It's not. All time is relative to a frame of reference, but the
effects of time dilation are very well understood and calculable.
Meaning we can correct for dilation due to the earth's movement, if we
wanted partial second accuracy. To have significant effects on time,
like you are inferring, objects need to move at speeds close to the
speed of light relative to each other.
Al- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The planet Mercury was the first thing used as a proof of the theorry
of relativity, and its velocity is 30 miles per second. �At the
velocity of the planet Mercury, my own equations agree with the
Lorentz equations to about six decimal places.The Galilean
transformation equations with absolute time agree to just one or two.
� � � �Where the Lorentz equations fall apart is their need for a
distance contraction, which then causes the moving object to disappear
at the speed of light.
----------------------------------------
Duh! An object moving away from us at the speed of light would emit light
towards us at zero speed (+C -C = 0)
So it would *appear* to be invisible...disappeared...not there. We wouldn't
be able to see it.
I'm no physicist, but this seems obvious to me.
Smiler,
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Well, that is why you are not a physicist. According to scientists,
Light emitted by any source of light travels toward the point where it
is observed at 186,000 miles per second, regardless of the velocity of
the source of light. |
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Stan-O
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:06 am Post subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists? |
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On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 20:37:34 +0000 (UTC), cary@afone.as.arizona.edu
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
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Steve O
At one time when I was making mistakes, about half of the posts in
sci.physics.relativity were directed to me. Since I arrived at
equations that hold together, scientists do not post to me.
Robert B. Winn
It looks to me like you might be in a few killfiles.
A few?
Doesn't anyone understand sarcasm? Sheesh!
Um...I think you just blew right by a pretty good
example there..
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Smiler
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:54 am Post subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists? |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
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rbwinn wrote:
Well, as the scientists of Galileo's day said, the safe way to go is
to say that the sun orbits the earth because that is what the majority
of scientists say. I can certainly forgive you for believing that.
Robert B. Winn
No, the church said that. Also, they knew better. They were just trying to
save face because they had long since realized they were wrong.
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Much like Robbie tries to do.
Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279 |
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rbwinn
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:09 am Post subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists? |
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On Jul 8, 2:45�am, Ye Old One <use...@mcsuk.net> wrote:
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On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 20:24:11 -0400, Stan-O <bndsna...@aol.com
enriched this group when s/he wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 17:09:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com
wrote:
I have a sneaking suspicion that they never talk to you.
Rather like your relationship with God.
--
Steve O
At one time when I was making mistakes, about half of the posts in
sci.physics.relativity were directed to me. � �Since I arrived at
equations that hold together, scientists do not post to me.
Robert B. Winn
It looks to me like you might be in a few killfiles.
Only a few?
The pathetic coward has been refusing to debate the so-called
"Hezekiah's Tunnel" with me for several weeks. His total ignorance is
renowned, I think it is about time I plonked the moron.
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Bob.
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I am the operson who believes that Hezekiah's tunnel exists, Bob.
There is nothing to debate. There really is a tunnel where the Bible
says one was dug.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:24 am Post subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists? |
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"Enkidu" <fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> wrote in message
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in news:pklck5-ofd.ln1@75-104-
203-5.cust.wildblue.net:
But no matter how big a fraction of c you're moving away from me, any
light you emit in my direction is traveling at c. Even we're both
moving
away from each other at a healthy fraction of c, the light we emit is
going to be moving at c when we (or anybody else) measures it.
Think about it in a different way, say throwing mables off a train at
pedestrians. If the train has a velicity of 10 m/s, and you can throw the
.01 kg marbles at 5 m/s, the marbles would hit pedestrians ahead of the
train with a kinetic energy of 1.125 kgm^2/s^2. Marbles thrown at
pedestrians behind the train would have a kinetic energy of
0.125 kgm^2/s^2.
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I'm not certain of this, but if you throw the marble forwards (wrt the
direction of the train) it's initial velocity (wrt the ground) will be +10 +
5 m/s =15 m/s forwards. If you throw the marble backwards (wrt the direction
of the train) it's initial velocity (wrt the ground) will be +10 - 5 m/s =5
m/s forwards. Therefore no marble could ever hit a pedestrian who was
*behind* the train at the moment you threw it (ignoring ricochet, etc.),
given those parameters. To hit a pedestrian behind the train wouldn't you
have to throw the marble (backwards) with a velocity greater than the
train's forward speed.
Smiler,
The godless one
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:30 am Post subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists? |
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"Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com> wrote in
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"Enkidu" <fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9AD5712078748255229@130.133.1.4...
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
news:pklck5-ofd.ln1@75-104- 203-5.cust.wildblue.net:
But no matter how big a fraction of c you're moving away from me,
any light you emit in my direction is traveling at c. Even we're
both
moving
away from each other at a healthy fraction of c, the light we emit
is going to be moving at c when we (or anybody else) measures it.
Think about it in a different way, say throwing mables off a train at
pedestrians. If the train has a velicity of 10 m/s, and you can throw
the .01 kg marbles at 5 m/s, the marbles would hit pedestrians ahead
of the train with a kinetic energy of 1.125 kgm^2/s^2. Marbles thrown
at pedestrians behind the train would have a kinetic energy of
0.125 kgm^2/s^2.
I'm not certain of this, but if you throw the marble forwards (wrt the
direction of the train) it's initial velocity (wrt the ground) will be
+10 + 5 m/s =15 m/s forwards. If you throw the marble backwards (wrt
the direction of the train) it's initial velocity (wrt the ground)
will be +10 - 5 m/s =5 m/s forwards. Therefore no marble could ever
hit a pedestrian who was *behind* the train at the moment you threw it
(ignoring ricochet, etc.), given those parameters. To hit a pedestrian
behind the train wouldn't you have to throw the marble (backwards)
with a velocity greater than the train's forward speed.
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Sure you can. The marble hits him from behind! You are correct, I shoud
have picked other numbers. But you get the idea, right?
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to
let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good.... Our goal is a
Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty, we are called by God, to
conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism."
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:27 am Post subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists? |
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On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 18:01:26 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com>
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It looks to me like you might be in a few killfiles.
Maybe. However, the fact remains that the equations I have show light
to be traveling at 186,000 miles per second in two different frames of
reference without the distance contraction that causes anything that
reaches the speed of light to have a length of 0 in the Lorentz
equations. Scientists definitely do not want to discuss those
equations.
Robert B. Winn
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:39 am Post subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists? |
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 7, 7:35 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 7, 3:37�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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It cannot be done. �I talk to scientists in sci.physics.relativity.
That is all I am ever going to do.
Robert B. Winn
I have a sneaking suspicion that they never talk to you.
Rather like your relationship with God.
--
Steve O
At one time when I was making mistakes, about half of the posts in
sci.physics.relativity were directed to me. Since I arrived at
equations that hold together, scientists do not post to me.
Robert B. Winn
Nah, they just gave up and killfiled you, I expect
--
Steve O
No, I think they just avoid talking to me now that I have the
equations figured out.
Robert B. Winn
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Let me know when the Nobel Prize arrives.
--
Steve O
a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter)
B.A.A.W.A.
Convicted by Earthquack
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