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 Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 3:55 am Post subject: Black holes disproven Now |
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The energy shift to light revealed in Pound Rebka means infinite
energy shift to light for black hole horizons. Incoming light goes
infinitely blue shifted or infinitely energetic. While outgoing light
gets infinitely red shifted to zero energy.
Both these predictions for light's energy at any event horizon are
nonsense and disproves their existence.
Mitch Raemsch; Falling light changes colour |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:05 am Post subject: Re: Black holes disproven Now |
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On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:55:38 -0700 (PDT), BURT <macromitch@yahoo.com>
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The energy shift to light revealed in Pound Rebka means infinite
energy shift to light for black hole horizons. Incoming light goes
infinitely blue shifted or infinitely energetic. While outgoing light
gets infinitely red shifted to zero energy.
Both these predictions for light's energy at any event horizon are
nonsense and disproves their existence.
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Why? So far as we can tell the universe extends infinitely in all
directions. Does that disprove its existence? |
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Benj
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 1:25 pm Post subject: Re: Black holes disproven Now |
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On Jun 22, 4:31 am, Surfer <n...@spam.net> wrote:
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Why? So far as we can tell the universe extends infinitely in all
directions. Does that disprove its existence?
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No it doesn't! We all know that surrounding the universe is a large
spherical wall! It is the mass of that wall which explains the ever
increasing expansion of the "known" universe after the Big Bang! But
since we really don't know what is on the other side of that wall,
that probably disproves the existence of anything beyond it! Does
this make sense? |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 6:44 pm Post subject: Re: Black holes disproven Now |
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Benj wrote:
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On Jun 22, 4:31 am, Surfer <n...@spam.net> wrote:
Why? So far as we can tell the universe extends infinitely in all
directions. Does that disprove its existence?
No it doesn't! We all know that surrounding the universe is a large
spherical wall! It is the mass of that wall which explains the ever
increasing expansion of the "known" universe after the Big Bang! But
since we really don't know what is on the other side of that wall,
that probably disproves the existence of anything beyond it! Does
this make sense?
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No, if we can't see it, it has no proof, nor disproof at all.
So beyond the wall, we don't know. (no proof, no disproof)
and for all we know,
light may ony travel that far and there could be a couple billion
more billions of light years that occured.
:)
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James M Driscoll Jr
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NoEinstein
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:10 pm Post subject: Re: Black holes disproven Now |
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On Jun 22, 4:31 am, Surfer <n...@spam.net> wrote:
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On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:55:38 -0700 (PDT), BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com
wrote:
The energy shift to light revealed in Pound Rebka means infinite
energy shift to light for black hole horizons. Incoming light goes
infinitely blue shifted or infinitely energetic. While outgoing light
gets infinitely red shifted to zero energy.
Both these predictions for light's energy at any event horizon are
nonsense and disproves their existence.
Why? So far as we can tell the universe extends infinitely in all
directions. Does that disprove its existence?
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Dear Surfer: The Universe is a finite, ether-meniscus (magnetic)
enclosed volume. It isn't expanding, though it may be changing shape
like a just blown soap bubble. — NoEinstein — |
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NoEinstein
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:25 pm Post subject: Re: Black holes disproven Now |
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On Jun 22, 9:25 am, Benj <bjac...@iwaynet.net> wrote:
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On Jun 22, 4:31 am, Surfer <n...@spam.net> wrote:
Why? So far as we can tell the universe extends infinitely in all
directions. Does that disprove its existence?
No it doesn't! We all know that surrounding the universe is a large
spherical wall! It is the mass of that wall which explains the ever
increasing expansion of the "known" universe after the Big Bang! But
since we really don't know what is on the other side of that wall,
that probably disproves the existence of anything beyond it! Does
this make sense?
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Dear Benj: The present Universe photos suggest the Universe is potato
shaped, not spherical. It might be spherical if ether was a uniform
pressure, everywhere. But ether tends to stay near where most of the
masses are. Ether has near zero outward pressure against "the wall".
The latter is a magnetic meniscus that traps wandering IOTAs (the
smallest energy unit of ether). To align magnetically, IOTAs must be
in locations not easily disrupted by charged particles, or even
concentrations of light. Sunspots are magnetic storms. There is a
constant traffic jamb between the incoming IOTAs and the outgoing
charged particles and photons. The further away from those traffic
jambs, the more likely the ether meniscuses are to form. The "Swiss
Cheese" voids between galaxies probably have meniscuses, too. Those
voids are the Autobahns of the Universe—there are no speed limits on
space travel! — NoEinstein — |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:26 am Post subject: Re: Black holes disproven Now |
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On Jun 22, 3:25 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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On Jun 22, 9:25 am, Benj <bjac...@iwaynet.net> wrote:
On Jun 22, 4:31 am, Surfer <n...@spam.net> wrote:
Why? So far as we can tell the universe extends infinitely in all
directions. Does that disprove its existence?
No it doesn't! We all know that surrounding the universe is a large
spherical wall! It is the mass of that wall which explains the ever
increasing expansion of the "known" universe after the Big Bang! But
since we really don't know what is on the other side of that wall,
that probably disproves the existence of anything beyond it! Does
this make sense?
Dear Benj: The present Universe photos suggest the Universe is potato
shaped, not spherical. It might be spherical if ether was a uniform
pressure, everywhere. But ether tends to stay near where most of the
masses are. Ether has near zero outward pressure against "the wall".
The latter is a magnetic meniscus that traps wandering IOTAs (the
smallest energy unit of ether). To align magnetically, IOTAs must be
in locations not easily disrupted by charged particles, or even
concentrations of light. Sunspots are magnetic storms. There is a
constant traffic jamb between the incoming IOTAs and the outgoing
charged particles and photons. The further away from those traffic
jambs, the more likely the ether meniscuses are to form. The "Swiss
Cheese" voids between galaxies probably have meniscuses, too. Those
voids are the Autobahns of the Universe—there are no speed limits on
space travel! — NoEinstein —
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Dale
Not going to give a long posting but the theory where time dilation
can be shown to expand space has been reviewed again in,
Does an antimatter apple fall up?
A part of this theory leads to the probability of white holes and that
these would be simply the event horizon of a black hole as seen from
inside.Time will past faster near them and so will the speed of light
be more so they could also behave in some ways like wormholes where
you could take shortcuts to other parts of our universe.They end up
having some really odd speculative properties such as appearing in
more than one place in our universe and yet must still only be just
one object.
Read up on my other recent postings and I can explain this idea better
without having to repeat so much of it all.
Dale |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:52 pm Post subject: Re: Black holes disproven Now |
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On Jun 22, 5:55 am, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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The energy shift to light revealed in Pound Rebka means infinite
energy shift to light for black hole horizons. Incoming light goes
infinitely blue shifted or infinitely energetic. While outgoing light
gets infinitely red shifted to zero energy.
Both these predictions for light's energy at any event horizon are
nonsense and disproves their existence.
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What's limit of transfer for m_a? |
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BURT
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject: Re: Black holes disproven Now |
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On Jun 24, 12:52 pm, Raghar <Ragha...@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Jun 22, 5:55 am, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The energy shift to light revealed in Pound Rebka means infinite
energy shift to light for black hole horizons. Incoming light goes
infinitely blue shifted or infinitely energetic. While outgoing light
gets infinitely red shifted to zero energy.
Both these predictions for light's energy at any event horizon are
nonsense and disproves their existence.
What's limit of transfer for m_a?
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Light speed. Things fall at light speed at the event hroizon. And
since there is even greater gravity inside they are accelerated
infinitely going past light speed.
Mitch Raemsch |
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PD
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:49 pm Post subject: Re: Black holes disproven Now |
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On Jun 22, 5:25 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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On Jun 22, 9:25 am, Benj <bjac...@iwaynet.net> wrote:
On Jun 22, 4:31 am, Surfer <n...@spam.net> wrote:
Why? So far as we can tell the universe extends infinitely in all
directions. Does that disprove its existence?
No it doesn't! We all know that surrounding the universe is a large
spherical wall! It is the mass of that wall which explains the ever
increasing expansion of the "known" universe after the Big Bang! But
since we really don't know what is on the other side of that wall,
that probably disproves the existence of anything beyond it! Does
this make sense?
Dear Benj: The present Universe photos suggest the Universe is potato
shaped, not spherical.
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Oh, this is funny! Might want to google "geometrical acceptance".
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It might be spherical if ether was a uniform
pressure, everywhere. But ether tends to stay near where most of the
masses are. Ether has near zero outward pressure against "the wall".
The latter is a magnetic meniscus that traps wandering IOTAs (the
smallest energy unit of ether). To align magnetically, IOTAs must be
in locations not easily disrupted by charged particles, or even
concentrations of light. Sunspots are magnetic storms. There is a
constant traffic jamb between the incoming IOTAs and the outgoing
charged particles and photons. The further away from those traffic
jambs, the more likely the ether meniscuses are to form. The "Swiss
Cheese" voids between galaxies probably have meniscuses, too. Those
voids are the Autobahns of the Universe—there are no speed limits on
space travel! — NoEinstein — |
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NoEinstein
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: Black holes disproven Now |
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On Jun 22, 8:26 pm, lith...@nbnet.nb.ca wrote:
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On Jun 22, 3:25 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
On Jun 22, 9:25 am, Benj <bjac...@iwaynet.net> wrote:
On Jun 22, 4:31 am, Surfer <n...@spam.net> wrote:
Why? So far as we can tell the universe extends infinitely in all
directions. Does that disprove its existence?
No it doesn't! We all know that surrounding the universe is a large
spherical wall! It is the mass of that wall which explains the ever
increasing expansion of the "known" universe after the Big Bang! But
since we really don't know what is on the other side of that wall,
that probably disproves the existence of anything beyond it! Does
this make sense?
Dear Benj: The present Universe photos suggest the Universe is potato
shaped, not spherical. It might be spherical if ether was a uniform
pressure, everywhere. But ether tends to stay near where most of the
masses are. Ether has near zero outward pressure against "the wall".
The latter is a magnetic meniscus that traps wandering IOTAs (the
smallest energy unit of ether). To align magnetically, IOTAs must be
in locations not easily disrupted by charged particles, or even
concentrations of light. Sunspots are magnetic storms. There is a
constant traffic jamb between the incoming IOTAs and the outgoing
charged particles and photons. The further away from those traffic
jambs, the more likely the ether meniscuses are to form. The "Swiss
Cheese" voids between galaxies probably have meniscuses, too. Those
voids are the Autobahns of the Universe—there are no speed limits on
space travel! — NoEinstein —
Dale
Not going to give a long posting but the theory where time dilation
can be shown to expand space has been reviewed again in,
Does an antimatter apple fall up?
A part of this theory leads to the probability of white holes and that
these would be simply the event horizon of a black hole as seen from
inside.Time will past faster near them and so will the speed of light
be more so they could also behave in some ways like wormholes where
you could take shortcuts to other parts of our universe.They end up
having some really odd speculative properties such as appearing in
more than one place in our universe and yet must still only be just
one object.
Read up on my other recent postings and I can explain this idea better
without having to repeat so much of it all.
Dale- Hide quoted text -
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Dear Dale: Try to think of sci.physics as science truths (ideally, at
least). Your black and white holes are more like science fiction.
Thanks for sparing us a long reply! — NoEinstein — |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject: Re: Black holes disproven Now |
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On Jun 25, 9:49 am, PD <TheDraperFam...@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Jun 22, 5:25 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
On Jun 22, 9:25 am, Benj <bjac...@iwaynet.net> wrote:
On Jun 22, 4:31 am, Surfer <n...@spam.net> wrote:
Why? So far as we can tell the universe extends infinitely in all
directions. Does that disprove its existence?
No it doesn't! We all know that surrounding the universe is a large
spherical wall! It is the mass of that wall which explains the ever
increasing expansion of the "known" universe after the Big Bang! But
since we really don't know what is on the other side of that wall,
that probably disproves the existence of anything beyond it! Does
this make sense?
Dear Benj: The present Universe photos suggest the Universe is potato
shaped, not spherical.
Oh, this is funny! Might want to google "geometrical acceptance".
It might be spherical if ether was a uniform
pressure, everywhere. But ether tends to stay near where most of the
masses are. Ether has near zero outward pressure against "the wall".
The latter is a magnetic meniscus that traps wandering IOTAs (the
smallest energy unit of ether). To align magnetically, IOTAs must be
in locations not easily disrupted by charged particles, or even
concentrations of light. Sunspots are magnetic storms. There is a
constant traffic jamb between the incoming IOTAs and the outgoing
charged particles and photons. The further away from those traffic
jambs, the more likely the ether meniscuses are to form. The "Swiss
Cheese" voids between galaxies probably have meniscuses, too. Those
voids are the Autobahns of the Universe—there are no speed limits on
space travel! — NoEinstein —- Hide quoted text -
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Dear Folks: Who, this side of a Black Hole cares whether PD thinks
anything is funny? That couch potato has zero objectivity, and zero
reasoning ability. — NoEinstein — |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:46 pm Post subject: Re: Black holes disproven Now |
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On Jun 25, 11:43 am, NoEinstein <noeinst...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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On Jun 25, 9:49 am, PD <TheDraperFam...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 22, 5:25 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
On Jun 22, 9:25 am, Benj <bjac...@iwaynet.net> wrote:
On Jun 22, 4:31 am, Surfer <n...@spam.net> wrote:
Why? So far as we can tell the universe extends infinitely in all
directions. Does that disprove its existence?
No it doesn't! We all know that surrounding the universe is a large
spherical wall! It is the mass of that wall which explains the ever
increasing expansion of the "known" universe after the Big Bang! But
since we really don't know what is on the other side of that wall,
that probably disproves the existence of anything beyond it! Does
this make sense?
Dear Benj: The present Universe photos suggest the Universe is potato
shaped, not spherical.
Oh, this is funny! Might want to google "geometrical acceptance".
It might be spherical if ether was a uniform
pressure, everywhere. But ether tends to stay near where most of the
masses are. Ether has near zero outward pressure against "the wall".
The latter is a magnetic meniscus that traps wandering IOTAs (the
smallest energy unit of ether). To align magnetically, IOTAs must be
in locations not easily disrupted by charged particles, or even
concentrations of light. Sunspots are magnetic storms. There is a
constant traffic jamb between the incoming IOTAs and the outgoing
charged particles and photons. The further away from those traffic
jambs, the more likely the ether meniscuses are to form. The "Swiss
Cheese" voids between galaxies probably have meniscuses, too. Those
voids are the Autobahns of the Universe—there are no speed limits on
space travel! — NoEinstein —- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Dear Folks: Who, this side of a Black Hole cares whether PD thinks
anything is funny? That couch potato has zero objectivity, and zero
reasoning ability. — NoEinstein —
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This is what is known as "projecting". |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:30 pm Post subject: Re: Black holes disproven Now |
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On Jun 25, 2:43 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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On Jun 25, 9:49 am, PD <TheDraperFam...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 22, 5:25 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
On Jun 22, 9:25 am, Benj <bjac...@iwaynet.net> wrote:
On Jun 22, 4:31 am, Surfer <n...@spam.net> wrote:
Why? So far as we can tell the universe extends infinitely in all
directions. Does that disprove its existence?
No it doesn't! We all know that surrounding the universe is a large
spherical wall! It is the mass of that wall which explains the ever
increasing expansion of the "known" universe after the Big Bang! But
since we really don't know what is on the other side of that wall,
that probably disproves the existence of anything beyond it! Does
this make sense?
Dear Benj: The present Universe photos suggest the Universe is potato
shaped, not spherical.
Oh, this is funny! Might want to google "geometrical acceptance".
It might be spherical if ether was a uniform
pressure, everywhere. But ether tends to stay near where most of the
masses are. Ether has near zero outward pressure against "the wall".
The latter is a magnetic meniscus that traps wandering IOTAs (the
smallest energy unit of ether). To align magnetically, IOTAs must be
in locations not easily disrupted by charged particles, or even
concentrations of light. Sunspots are magnetic storms. There is a
constant traffic jamb between the incoming IOTAs and the outgoing
charged particles and photons. The further away from those traffic
jambs, the more likely the ether meniscuses are to form. The "Swiss
Cheese" voids between galaxies probably have meniscuses, too. Those
voids are the Autobahns of the Universe—there are no speed limits on
space travel! — NoEinstein —- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Dear Folks: Who, this side of a Black Hole cares whether PD thinks
anything is funny? That couch potato has zero objectivity, and zero
reasoning ability. — NoEinstein —
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You know, if a clown trips over his oversized shoes and lands face-
first in a puddle of mud he's just made by peeing in the dirt, it
wouldn't matter one bit if the clown gets indignant and huffs, "Who
cares if you think that's funny?" It'd still be funny.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:52 pm Post subject: Re: Black holes disproven Now |
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Surfer wrote:
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On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:55:38 -0700 (PDT), BURT <macromitch@yahoo.com
wrote:
The energy shift to light revealed in Pound Rebka means infinite
energy shift to light for black hole horizons. Incoming light goes
infinitely blue shifted or infinitely energetic. While outgoing light
gets infinitely red shifted to zero energy.
Both these predictions for light's energy at any event horizon are
nonsense and disproves their existence.
Why? So far as we can tell the universe extends infinitely in all
directions. Does that disprove its existence?
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Are you counting the space beyond the causal horizon to be part of our
Universe, or not? |
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