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Timo de Beer
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 Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 1:15 am Post subject: HP 11C |
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For many years I have been using an HP 11C scientific calculator. Although
it still functions well, I would like to have some back up option.
Unfortunately HP only offers RPN on its more expensive models.
Is anyone here aware of cheaper RPN calculators, or even better if it exists
a Chinese 11C clone? I don't need any programming functionality.
Any suggestions are welcome,
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dlzc
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 1:15 am Post subject: Re: HP 11C |
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Dear Timo de Beer:
On Jun 25, 1:15 pm, "Timo de Beer" <timo.deb...@xanadu.nl> wrote:
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For many years I have been using an HP 11C scientific
calculator. Although it still functions well, I would like to
have some back up option. Unfortunately HP only
offers RPN on its more expensive models.
Is anyone here aware of cheaper RPN calculators, or
even better if it exists a Chinese 11C clone? I don't
need any programming functionality.
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http://groups.google.com/group/sci.engr.mech/msg/47f139a2d27fcc86
... click on "More options" then "View thread".
http://www.finseth.com/rpnrpl.html
http://www.geocities.com/dbergis/freeware.htm
(The next three links are supposed to point to the lowest end HP that
still does RPN, the 33s)
http://www.staples.com/office/supplies/p1_Scientific-Calculators_104692_Business_Supplies_10051_SEARCH
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/HP-33s-Scientific-Calculator-111117/sem/rpsm/oid/130526/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do
http://shop4.frys.com/%7BlAQtUNfWyBUSLSXUAQtTpQ**.node1%7D/product/3833387;jsessionid=lAQtUNfWyBUSLSXUAQtTpQ**.node1?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF02d/215348-215348-64232.html
HP's "10s" is really cheap, but does not do RPN.
What I dislike about calculators, is you cannot record the actual
keystrokes it took to obtain your solution. In a spreadsheet, that is
all recorded. Maybe some of the shareware simulators will also allo
for a documentation trail.
The HP 33s is low end (well about half of what I paid for my first
calculator) and still available. I did not find any reasonable hits
with Google, looking for clones.
Sorry.
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dlzc
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 1:15 am Post subject: Re: HP 11C |
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Dear Timo de Beer:
On Jun 25, 2:44 pm, "Timo de Beer" <timo.deb...@xanadu.nl> wrote:
Well, though I have used my Zenith Z-180 IBM-PC clone (with only two
floppy drives) for actual work in the last 5 years, I would not want
to have to "dance on the head of pin" very often.
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(The next three links are supposed to point to
the lowest end HP that still does RPN, the 33s)
My main problem with the 33s is its hideous design:
not only does it look stupid, but they managed to
put the buttons (specially the enter button) in the
wrong place
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Then you get stuck with financial calculators. Apparently the people
that pay the product designers get preference, and not f*cked with.
Good luck.
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Spaceman
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 2:02 am Post subject: Re: HP 11C |
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Timo de Beer wrote:
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For many years I have been using an HP 11C scientific calculator.
Although it still functions well, I would like to have some back up
option. Unfortunately HP only offers RPN on its more expensive models.
Is anyone here aware of cheaper RPN calculators, or even better if it
exists a Chinese 11C clone? I don't need any programming
functionality.
Any suggestions are welcome,
Timo
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hmm?
RPN?
no clue about that but..
Is the windows scientific calculator not enough?
Type
calc
in your run box and select
|view| scientific.
Is that not enough, or is it that you can't use it near your computer?
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James M Driscoll Jr
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Timo de Beer
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 2:29 am Post subject: Re: HP 11C |
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hmm?
Is the windows scientific calculator not enough?
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There are instances when it is handy to use a loose calculator:
- when you don't have your computer at hand (which happpens to me quite
often)
- when your keyboard is covered with drawings
- when you don't want to clutter your screen with additional windows
- because for simple calculations it is easier to use a calculator then a
computer
With things like this it is easy: if you never felt the need to have a loose
calculator around than you must be one of those guys that can live happily
without them.
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Timo de Beer
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 2:44 am Post subject: Re: HP 11C |
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"dlzc" <dlzc1@cox.net> wrote in message news:261f327a-74cb-4a58-85a0-
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http://groups.google.com/group/sci.engr.mech/msg/47f139a2d27fcc86
... click on "More options" then "View thread".
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Aparently the older the more appreciated
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(The next three links are supposed to point to the lowest end HP that
still does RPN, the 33s)
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My main problem with the 33s is its hideous design:
not only does it look stupid, but they managed to put the buttons (specially
the enter button) in the wrong place
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Spaceman
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:38 am Post subject: Re: HP 11C |
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Timo de Beer wrote:
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hmm?
Is the windows scientific calculator not enough?
There are instances when it is handy to use a loose calculator:
- when you don't have your computer at hand (which happpens to me
quite often)
- when your keyboard is covered with drawings
- when you don't want to clutter your screen with additional windows
- because for simple calculations it is easier to use a calculator
then a computer
With things like this it is easy: if you never felt the need to have
a loose calculator around than you must be one of those guys that can
live happily without them.
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No I do always have the loose calculator around,
simply because I am not that great with math in my head either.
but I was just wondering if the windows calc is the type you are looking
for?
In other words, does that do that (rp )whatever you were asking about?
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Spaceman
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:40 am Post subject: Re: HP 11C |
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Spaceman wrote:
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Timo de Beer wrote:
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hmm?
Is the windows scientific calculator not enough?
There are instances when it is handy to use a loose calculator:
- when you don't have your computer at hand (which happpens to me
quite often)
- when your keyboard is covered with drawings
- when you don't want to clutter your screen with additional windows
- because for simple calculations it is easier to use a calculator
then a computer
With things like this it is easy: if you never felt the need to have
a loose calculator around than you must be one of those guys that can
live happily without them.
No I do always have the loose calculator around,
simply because I am not that great with math in my head either.
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oops, I did not mean to infer you were not good with math in your head.
I was only talking about me.
sorry if that came out wrong.
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Tommy Bevins
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:06 am Post subject: Re: HP 11C |
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"Timo de Beer" <timo.debeer@xanadu.nl> wrote:
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For many years I have been using an HP 11C scientific calculator. Although
Is anyone here aware of cheaper RPN calculators, or even better if it exists
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HP recently came out with an HP35s to celebrate the anniversary of the
original HP35. It's around $50 at amazon.com. It has a Classic
calculator look, decent keyboard layout, and a little memory for
programming.
- Still looking for a 15c replacement after all these years... |
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N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:26 am Post subject: Re: HP 11C |
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Dear Spaceman:
"Spaceman" <spaceman@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> wrote in message
news:1Yidnd7hP7vbSv_VnZ2dnUVZ_ozinZ2d@comcast.com...
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but I was just wondering if the windows calc is
the type you are looking for?
In other words, does that do that (rp )whatever
you were asking about?
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No, it doesn't. It only does math like we would algebraically
write it out, and then with limitations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_Polish_Notation
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:02 pm Post subject: Re: HP 11C |
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N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
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Dear Spaceman:
"Spaceman" <spaceman@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> wrote in message
news:1Yidnd7hP7vbSv_VnZ2dnUVZ_ozinZ2d@comcast.com...
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but I was just wondering if the windows calc is
the type you are looking for?
In other words, does that do that (rp )whatever
you were asking about?
No, it doesn't. It only does math like we would algebraically
write it out, and then with limitations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_Polish_Notation
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Ahh,
Ok,
I see the difference.
Thanks.
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Timo de Beer
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:02 am Post subject: Re: HP 11C |
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"Tommy Bevins" <tommy.bevins@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:92u564p3cujih3q7mkhi15b9tcpg460lek@4ax.com...
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"Timo de Beer" <timo.debeer@xanadu.nl> wrote:
For many years I have been using an HP 11C scientific calculator. Although
Is anyone here aware of cheaper RPN calculators, or even better if it
exists
HP recently came out with an HP35s to celebrate the anniversary of the
original HP35. It's around $50 at amazon.com. It has a Classic
calculator look, decent keyboard layout, and a little memory for
programming.
- Still looking for a 15c replacement after all these years...
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I didn't see this one before. I must admit it looks much better than the 33
from the picture. In fact I used to have something like this before the 11C.
I don't remember the type number of it, but it may have been that 35.
Unfortunately the LEDs really used energy, and the battery pack completely
gave up after about 5 years. But that shat should have been solved by now.
Probably will try it.
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Timo de Beer
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:13 am Post subject: Re: HP 11C |
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"Spaceman" <spaceman@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> wrote in message
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N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
Dear Spaceman:
"Spaceman" <spaceman@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> wrote in message
news:1Yidnd7hP7vbSv_VnZ2dnUVZ_ozinZ2d@comcast.com...
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but I was just wondering if the windows calc is
the type you are looking for?
In other words, does that do that (rp )whatever
you were asking about?
No, it doesn't. It only does math like we would algebraically
write it out, and then with limitations.
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About RPN and computers, there are windows calculators available that I
could use, but as explained I like to have a calculator around as well. To
be frank my ability to do calculations by head has declined somewhat since I
left high school and started to use calculators, good to hear I am not the
only one.
About the superiority of RPN over Algebraic notation: this is typically a
point of debate between the believers. I am not sure that it makes that much
of a difference. However once you are used to one it is cumbersome to switch
over.
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