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 Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject: Time travel |
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Get near extreme gravity. The future of the rest of the universe will
rush around you because of your clock running slow. We can only travel
into the future.
If you wanted to go back in time you would have to run everything
backward not yourself but your environment.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:18 am Post subject: Re: Time travel |
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On Jul 3, 1:18�pm, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Get near extreme gravity. The future of the rest of the universe will
rush around you because of your clock running slow. We can only travel
into the future.
If you wanted to go back in time you would have to run everything
backward not yourself but your environment.
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Mitch Raemsch
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You cannot go back in time. I cannot go back and watch the Battle of
Hastings---there was no Battle of Hastings at any time with Andrew
Smyth as a spectator. |
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BURT
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:31 am Post subject: Re: Time travel |
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On Jul 3, 8:18Â pm, Osmium <Rusht...@aol.com> wrote:
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On Jul 3, 1:18�pm, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Get near extreme gravity. The future of the rest of the universe will
rush around you because of your clock running slow. We can only travel
into the future.
If you wanted to go back in time you would have to run everything
backward not yourself but your environment.
.
Mitch Raemsch
You cannot go back in time. Â I cannot go back and watch the Battle of
Hastings---there was no Battle of Hastings at any time with Andrew
Smyth as a spectator.
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There is future travel though. You might spend a few minutes near a
black hole but when you get out of the extreme gravity a million years
might have elapsed. You can travel into the future of the rest of the
universe by having a slow clock. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:39 am Post subject: Re: Time travel |
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On Jul 4, 12:18 am, Osmium <Rusht...@aol.com> wrote:
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On Jul 3, 1:18�pm, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Get near extreme gravity. The future of the rest of the universe will
rush around you because of your clock running slow. We can only travel
into the future.
If you wanted to go back in time you would have to run everything
backward not yourself but your environment.
.
Mitch Raemsch
You cannot go back in time. I cannot go back and watch the Battle of
Hastings---there was no Battle of Hastings at any time with Andrew
Smyth as a spectator.
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Andrew Smyth can become a spectator at the Battle of Hastings
tonight by simply looking at a celestial object 477 LY distant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_integral_formulation
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BURT
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:53 am Post subject: Re: Time travel |
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On Jul 3, 8:43 pm, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh>
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Sue... wrote:
On Jul 4, 12:18 am, Osmium <Rusht...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 3, 1:18?pm, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Get near extreme gravity. The future of the rest of the universe
will rush around you because of your clock running slow. We can
only travel into the future.
If you wanted to go back in time you would have to run everything
backward not yourself but your environment.
.
Mitch Raemsch
You cannot go back in time. I cannot go back and watch the Battle of
Hastings---there was no Battle of Hastings at any time with Andrew
Smyth as a spectator.
Andrew Smyth can become a spectator at the Battle of Hastings
tonight by simply looking at a celestial object 477 LY distant.
It would have to have a really good mirror and telescope there too.
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Gamma is the slow time curve spacy.
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Sue...
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 5:12 am Post subject: Re: Time travel |
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On Jul 4, 12:43 am, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh>
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Sue... wrote:
On Jul 4, 12:18 am, Osmium <Rusht...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 3, 1:18?pm, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Get near extreme gravity. The future of the rest of the universe
will rush around you because of your clock running slow. We can
only travel into the future.
If you wanted to go back in time you would have to run everything
backward not yourself but your environment.
.
Mitch Raemsch
You cannot go back in time. I cannot go back and watch the Battle of
Hastings---there was no Battle of Hastings at any time with Andrew
Smyth as a spectator.
Andrew Smyth can become a spectator at the Battle of Hastings
tonight by simply looking at a celestial object 477 LY distant.
It would have to have a really good mirror and telescope there too.
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Not really. The Battle of Hastings wasn't that much to see.
Save the better optics for spectating on something like the
dinosaur extinction.
Sue...
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 6:29 am Post subject: Re: Time travel |
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On Jul 4, 1:17 am, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh>
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Sue... wrote:
On Jul 4, 12:43 am, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh
wrote:
Sue... wrote:
On Jul 4, 12:18 am, Osmium <Rusht...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 3, 1:18?pm, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Get near extreme gravity. The future of the rest of the universe
will rush around you because of your clock running slow. We can
only travel into the future.
If you wanted to go back in time you would have to run everything
backward not yourself but your environment.
.
Mitch Raemsch
You cannot go back in time. I cannot go back and watch the Battle
of Hastings---there was no Battle of Hastings at any time with
Andrew Smyth as a spectator.
Andrew Smyth can become a spectator at the Battle of Hastings
tonight by simply looking at a celestial object 477 LY distant.
It would have to have a really good mirror and telescope there too.
Not really. The Battle of Hastings wasn't that much to see.
Save the better optics for spectating on something like the
dinosaur extinction.
Huh?
You at least need the mirror object that will reflect the view it sees
to you.
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Amateur radio operators use the moon to look at
old light from the earth on a regular basis and they did it
long before the laser retro-reflector was in place.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=eme+communication&btnG=Search
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So.
No matter how much "it was not much to see", you still would nee to "see it"
from that objects point of view.
and..
To see the Dinosaurs die out would require even more accuracy and a higher
power telescope of course..
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You just don't know how to look creativly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Side-scan_sonar
Sue...
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:)
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:31 am Post subject: Re: Time travel |
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Osmium wrote:
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On Jul 3, 1:18?pm, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Get near extreme gravity. The future of the rest of the universe will
rush around you because of your clock running slow. We can only
travel into the future.
If you wanted to go back in time you would have to run everything
backward not yourself but your environment.
.
Mitch Raemsch
You cannot go back in time. I cannot go back and watch the Battle of
Hastings---there was no Battle of Hastings at any time with Andrew
Smyth as a spectator.
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You can not slow time either, you can slow a clock, you can slow
actions and reactions, but slowing time itself will never be done
unless you can actually slow down the Entire Universe at your command.
Time dilation in a clock is simply a clock malfunction and is simply
an action/reaction rate slowdown of the ticker.
You can look back at what happened long ago if it is far enough away,
but that is only because of the limited speed of light not letting
you know what has occured in between the time you see and the time
it is now.
And no matter how fast you get to that point, it will be your travel time
plus the time the light took to get to you to see what you saw.
If the light took 40 yrs and your trip there took 40 seconds,
It would be 40yrs and 40 seconds after what you had seen
before you left.
There is no "time travel" period.
looking into the past can be done, but going there will never be
done til you can "turn back" the Entire Universe at will.
:)
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:38 am Post subject: Re: Time travel |
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BURT wrote:
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On Jul 3, 8:18 pm, Osmium <Rusht...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 3, 1:18?pm, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Get near extreme gravity. The future of the rest of the universe
will rush around you because of your clock running slow. We can
only travel into the future.
If you wanted to go back in time you would have to run everything
backward not yourself but your environment.
.
Mitch Raemsch
You cannot go back in time. I cannot go back and watch the Battle of
Hastings---there was no Battle of Hastings at any time with Andrew
Smyth as a spectator.
There is future travel though. You might spend a few minutes near a
black hole but when you get out of the extreme gravity a million years
might have elapsed. You can travel into the future of the rest of the
universe by having a slow clock.
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No Burt,
You can only travel towards the future at one speed,
and that speed is 1 second per second.
No faster, no slower.
It is a constant that The Universe holds very strong.
Our clocks may goof up reading it.. but it is really
strong and not one person has even come close to breaking
it and ... never will, unless of course.. they can speed up the entire
universe at their own will.
But of course, that would bring the entire Universe to the future
also.
:)
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:43 am Post subject: Re: Time travel |
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Sue... wrote:
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On Jul 4, 12:18 am, Osmium <Rusht...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 3, 1:18?pm, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Get near extreme gravity. The future of the rest of the universe
will rush around you because of your clock running slow. We can
only travel into the future.
If you wanted to go back in time you would have to run everything
backward not yourself but your environment.
.
Mitch Raemsch
You cannot go back in time. I cannot go back and watch the Battle of
Hastings---there was no Battle of Hastings at any time with Andrew
Smyth as a spectator.
Andrew Smyth can become a spectator at the Battle of Hastings
tonight by simply looking at a celestial object 477 LY distant.
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It would have to have a really good mirror and telescope there too.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:55 am Post subject: Re: Time travel |
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BURT wrote:
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On Jul 3, 8:43 pm, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh
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Sue... wrote:
On Jul 4, 12:18 am, Osmium <Rusht...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 3, 1:18?pm, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Get near extreme gravity. The future of the rest of the universe
will rush around you because of your clock running slow. We can
only travel into the future.
If you wanted to go back in time you would have to run everything
backward not yourself but your environment.
.
Mitch Raemsch
You cannot go back in time. I cannot go back and watch the Battle
of Hastings---there was no Battle of Hastings at any time with
Andrew Smyth as a spectator.
Andrew Smyth can become a spectator at the Battle of Hastings
tonight by simply looking at a celestial object 477 LY distant.
It would have to have a really good mirror and telescope there too.
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Gamma is the slow time curve spacy.
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Gamma has nothing to do with "time"
It can be used to predict a clock malfunction,
it can be used to predict an action/reaction rate difference
but no matter what. time laughs at gamma.
and there is no "time curve" nor "space curve" except in multiple
standards worlds that use rubber rulers and malfunctioning clocks
as standards.
but I will admit, I can be spacey some"times".
:)
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:17 am Post subject: Re: Time travel |
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Sue... wrote:
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On Jul 4, 12:43 am, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh
wrote:
Sue... wrote:
On Jul 4, 12:18 am, Osmium <Rusht...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 3, 1:18?pm, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Get near extreme gravity. The future of the rest of the universe
will rush around you because of your clock running slow. We can
only travel into the future.
If you wanted to go back in time you would have to run everything
backward not yourself but your environment.
.
Mitch Raemsch
You cannot go back in time. I cannot go back and watch the Battle
of Hastings---there was no Battle of Hastings at any time with
Andrew Smyth as a spectator.
Andrew Smyth can become a spectator at the Battle of Hastings
tonight by simply looking at a celestial object 477 LY distant.
It would have to have a really good mirror and telescope there too.
Not really. The Battle of Hastings wasn't that much to see.
Save the better optics for spectating on something like the
dinosaur extinction.
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Huh?
You at least need the mirror object that will reflect the view it sees
to you.
So.
No matter how much "it was not much to see", you still would nee to "see it"
from that objects point of view.
and..
To see the Dinosaurs die out would require even more accuracy and a higher
power telescope of course..
:)
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James M Driscoll Jr
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 12:04 pm Post subject: Re: Time travel |
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On Jul 4, 12:18Â pm, Osmium <Rusht...@aol.com> wrote:
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On Jul 3, 1:18�pm, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Get near extreme gravity. The future of the rest of the universe will
rush around you because of your clock running slow. We can only travel
into the future.
If you wanted to go back in time you would have to run everything
backward not yourself but your environment.
.
Mitch Raemsch
You cannot go back in time. Â I cannot go back and watch the Battle of
Hastings---there was no Battle of Hastings at any time with Andrew
Smyth as a spectator.
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According to Julian Barbour. There is no past nor future. Everything
exist as probability mists in the timeless land of Eternia. When
things occur it is because probability is being rearrange. To time
travel to the past, one simply has to rearrange all the atoms
or possibilities and the world would revert back to "early"
sceneries. Now when you take many worlds into account
where every possibility exists in the infinite combination
in timeless Eternia. Then you can have time travel in principle,
only when you go back to prevent Saddam from invading Kuwait,
you don't visit the past of this timeline but an alternative past.
This says quantum mechanics plus relativity and Julian
Barbour. Anti-relativists of course reject this because in their
world, only Newtonian physics exists. They don't even believe in
quantum mechanics much less relativity. They want to newtonize
QM and relativity. All of your responding above are such
newtonians.
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Sue...
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 1:22 pm Post subject: Re: Time travel |
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On Jul 4, 8:35 am, Sanforized <sanfori...@naol.con> wrote:
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You cannot go back in time. I cannot go back and watch the Battle of
Hastings---there was no Battle of Hastings at any time with Andrew
Smyth as a spectator.
Andrew Smyth can become a spectator at the Battle of Hastings
tonight by simply looking at a celestial object 477 LY distant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_integral_formulation
Unless, as is likely, it was cloudy that day.
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Some seats in the coliseum are better than others.
They are still occupied by spectators.
Can you see the sun on a cloudy day ?
It should work both ways. Eh ?
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:02 pm Post subject: Re: Time travel |
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On Jul 4, 9:41 am, Sanforized <sanfori...@naol.con> wrote:
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Sue... wrote:
On Jul 4, 8:35 am, Sanforized <sanfori...@naol.con> wrote:
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You cannot go back in time. I cannot go back and watch the Battle of
Hastings---there was no Battle of Hastings at any time with Andrew
Smyth as a spectator.
Andrew Smyth can become a spectator at the Battle of Hastings
tonight by simply looking at a celestial object 477 LY distant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_integral_formulation
Unless, as is likely, it was cloudy that day.
Some seats in the coliseum are better than others.
They are still occupied by spectators.
Is this headed into becoming a dictionary issue?
Can you see the sun on a cloudy day ?
It should work both ways. Eh ?
No. When the "spectator" sits behind a column the
term becomes meaningless.
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Well...maybe you can convince the Nobel
committee they awarded A. Tonomura et al.
a prize for something meaningless.
Does you column look like this:
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/articles/ekspong/images/arrangement.gif
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/articles/ekspong/index.html
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The few photons that
escape back up through the clouds become so
scattered that they're not capable of resolving
into a coherent image even if they happened to
hist the 477 LY distant object one happens to be
looking at. Incoherent photon arrangement alters
a spectator into a speculator.
I know....I'm boringly correct, but this isn't
really supposed to be a scifi group despite the
make-believe crap that is often being pawned off
as science here.
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You are probably right about the sci-fi part but
boringly wrong about light propagation.
<< does not the prize to Einstein imply that the
Academy recognised the particle nature of light?
The Nobel Committee says that Einstein had found
that the energy exchange between matter and ether
occurs by atoms emitting or absorbing a quantum of
energy, hv.
As a consequence of the new concept of light quanta
(in modern terminology photons) Einstein proposed
the law that an electron emitted from a substance by
monochromatic light with the frequency has to have a
maximum energy of E=hv-P, where pis the energy
needed to remove the electron from the substance.
Robert Andrews Millikan carried out a series of
measurements over a period of 10 years, finally confirming
the validity of this law in 1916 with great accuracy. Millikan had,
however, found the idea of light quanta to be unfamiliar
and strange.
The Nobel Committee avoids committing itself to the
particle concept. Light-quanta or with modern terminology,
photons, were explicitly mentioned in the reports on
which the prize decision rested only in connection with
emission and absorption processes. The Committee
says that the most important application of Einstein's
photoelectric law and also its most convincing confirmation
has come from the use Bohr made of it in his theory of
atoms, which explains a vast amount of spectroscopic data. >>
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/articles/ekspong/index.html |
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