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 Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:14 am Post subject: Pauli Exclusion Principle for Neutrons |
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If this is the principle that is more powerful than any force then
there will be no limit to neutron star's sizes. If the Pauli Exclusion
Principle is no barrier of itself then it is a law.
Mitch Raemsch |
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Mike Jr.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:31 am Post subject: Re: Pauli Exclusion Principle for Neutrons |
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On Jul 5, 12:14 am, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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If this is the principle that is more powerful than any force then
there will be no limit to neutron star's sizes. If the Pauli Exclusion
Principle is no barrier of itself then it is a law.
Mitch Raemsch
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Ever hear of black holes?
In its original form, the Pauli exclusion principle asserted that no
two electrons in an atom can be in the same state or configuration at
the same time. The principle has since been generalized to include the
whole class of particles called fermions which include protons,
neutrons, electrons, and neutrinos.
It's not impossible, for example, to stick another electron into a
shell, but it will take a lot of energy. So the Pauli exclusion
principle just states how electrons normally behave, not how they
behave in very extreme environments. In a collapsing star the
gravitational energy is so big that all the particles get smashed
together, despite the exclusion principle.
--Mike Jr |
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BURT
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:38 am Post subject: Re: Pauli Exclusion Principle for Neutrons |
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On Jul 4, 8:31 pm, "Mike Jr." <n00s...@comcast.net> wrote:
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On Jul 5, 12:14 am, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
If this is the principle that is more powerful than any force then
there will be no limit to neutron star's sizes. If the Pauli Exclusion
Principle is no barrier of itself then it is a law.
Mitch Raemsch
Ever hear of black holes?
In its original form, the Pauli exclusion principle asserted that no
two electrons in an atom can be in the same state or configuration at
the same time. The principle has since been generalized to include the
whole class of particles called fermions which include protons,
neutrons, electrons, and neutrinos.
It's not impossible, for example, to stick another electron into a
shell, but it will take a lot of energy. So the Pauli exclusion
principle just states how electrons normally behave, not how they
behave in very extreme environments. In a collapsing star the
gravitational energy is so big that all the particles get smashed
together, despite the exclusion principle.
--Mike Jr
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How strong is the force of the Principle?
If it is a law it would be infinitely small. |
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Mike Jr.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 5:19 am Post subject: Re: Pauli Exclusion Principle for Neutrons |
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On Jul 5, 12:38 am, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Jul 4, 8:31 pm, "Mike Jr." <n00s...@comcast.net> wrote:
On Jul 5, 12:14 am, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
If this is the principle that is more powerful than any force then
there will be no limit to neutron star's sizes. If the Pauli Exclusion
Principle is no barrier of itself then it is a law.
Mitch Raemsch
Ever hear of black holes?
In its original form, the Pauli exclusion principle asserted that no
two electrons in an atom can be in the same state or configuration at
the same time. The principle has since been generalized to include the
whole class of particles called fermions which include protons,
neutrons, electrons, and neutrinos.
It's not impossible, for example, to stick another electron into a
shell, but it will take a lot of energy. So the Pauli exclusion
principle just states how electrons normally behave, not how they
behave in very extreme environments. In a collapsing star the
gravitational energy is so big that all the particles get smashed
together, despite the exclusion principle.
--Mike Jr
How strong is the force of the Principle?
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As gravity crunches a star's atoms together, the electrons of the
atoms repel and push away from each other. The closer electrons are
crunched, the faster they bounce back and forth to repel each other.
The speed that the electrons can move back and forth is limited by the
speed of light. When electrons need to move faster than light (which
they cannot) to counteract the attractive forces, gravity over comes
the electron exclusion principle. The amount of force required to do
this is called the electron degeneracy pressure which is equal to the
Chandrasekhar Limit (1.38 solar masses). Anything exceeding this limit
(without usable fuel) will collapse into a neutron star.
The norm for a neutron star with a 12 km radius and a mass of 2.48
solar masses is a density of 20x10^14 g/cm^3 (2.0x10^9 tonnes/cm^3).
It's unclear what exact value to assign to the neutron degeneracy
pressure. But it is calculated to be between 2.0 and 3.3 solar
masses.
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If it is a law it would be infinitely small.
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BURT
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 5:23 am Post subject: Re: Pauli Exclusion Principle for Neutrons |
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On Jul 4, 9:19 pm, "Mike Jr." <n00s...@comcast.net> wrote:
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On Jul 5, 12:38 am, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 4, 8:31 pm, "Mike Jr." <n00s...@comcast.net> wrote:
On Jul 5, 12:14 am, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
If this is the principle that is more powerful than any force then
there will be no limit to neutron star's sizes. If the Pauli Exclusion
Principle is no barrier of itself then it is a law.
Mitch Raemsch
Ever hear of black holes?
In its original form, the Pauli exclusion principle asserted that no
two electrons in an atom can be in the same state or configuration at
the same time. The principle has since been generalized to include the
whole class of particles called fermions which include protons,
neutrons, electrons, and neutrinos.
It's not impossible, for example, to stick another electron into a
shell, but it will take a lot of energy. So the Pauli exclusion
principle just states how electrons normally behave, not how they
behave in very extreme environments. In a collapsing star the
gravitational energy is so big that all the particles get smashed
together, despite the exclusion principle.
--Mike Jr
How strong is the force of the Principle?
As gravity crunches a star's atoms together, the electrons of the
atoms repel and push away from each other. The closer electrons are
crunched, the faster they bounce back and forth to repel each other.
The speed that the electrons can move back and forth is limited by the
speed of light. When electrons need to move faster than light (which
they cannot) to counteract the attractive forces, gravity over comes
the electron exclusion principle. The amount of force required to do
this is called the electron degeneracy pressure which is equal to the
Chandrasekhar Limit (1.38 solar masses). Anything exceeding this limit
(without usable fuel) will collapse into a neutron star.
The norm for a neutron star with a 12 km radius and a mass of 2.48
solar masses is a density of 20x10^14 g/cm^3 (2.0x10^9 tonnes/cm^3).
It's unclear what exact value to assign to the neutron degeneracy
pressure. But it is calculated to be between 2.0 and 3.3 solar
masses.
If it is a law it would be infinitely small.
????
--Mike Jr- Hide quoted text -
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You are treating the Pauli Exclusion Principle as degeneracy pressure
mike? |
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Y.Porat
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 9:05 am Post subject: Re: Pauli Exclusion Principle for Neutrons |
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On Jul 5, 7:14 am, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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If this is the principle that is more powerful than any force then
there will be no limit to neutron star's sizes. If the Pauli Exclusion
Principle is no barrier of itself then it is a law.
Mitch Raemsch
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no Pauli and no Shmauli inside the nuc !!!
ATB
Y.Porat
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: Pauli Exclusion Principle for Neutrons |
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On Jul 5, 9:17 am, Uncle Al <Uncle...@hate.spam.net> wrote:
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BURT wrote:
If this is the principle that is more powerful than any force then
there will be no limit to neutron star's sizes. If the Pauli Exclusion
Principle is no barrier of itself then it is a law.
Mitch Raemsch
Fucking imbecile. Gravitation always wins.
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No. Why does gravity win Alafalfa?
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Uncle Al
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 10:17 pm Post subject: Re: Pauli Exclusion Principle for Neutrons |
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BURT wrote:
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If this is the principle that is more powerful than any force then
there will be no limit to neutron star's sizes. If the Pauli Exclusion
Principle is no barrier of itself then it is a law.
Mitch Raemsch
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Fucking imbecile. Gravitation always wins.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2 |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 11:58 pm Post subject: Re: Pauli Exclusion Principle for Neutrons |
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On Jul 5, 2:02 pm, Uncle Al <Uncle...@hate.spam.net> wrote:
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mitch.nicolas.raem...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jul 5, 9:17 am, Uncle Al <Uncle...@hate.spam.net> wrote:
BURT wrote:
If this is the principle that is more powerful than any force then
there will be no limit to neutron star's sizes. If the Pauli Exclusion
Principle is no barrier of itself then it is a law.
Mitch Raemsch
Fucking imbecile. Gravitation always wins.
No. Why does gravity win Alafalfa?
Because, fucking stooopid, separated hadron mass less gravitational
binding energy after consolidation approaches zero. Because, fucking
stooopid, when surface escape velocty exceeds lightspeed it isn't in
the communicative universe anymore.
You really did arise from clay, didn't you. Go back to your god and
demand a refund.
--
Uncle Alhttp://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2
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The quarks are infinitely close to each other.
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Uncle Al
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 3:02 am Post subject: Re: Pauli Exclusion Principle for Neutrons |
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mitch.nicolas.raemsch@gmail.com wrote:
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On Jul 5, 9:17 am, Uncle Al <Uncle...@hate.spam.net> wrote:
BURT wrote:
If this is the principle that is more powerful than any force then
there will be no limit to neutron star's sizes. If the Pauli Exclusion
Principle is no barrier of itself then it is a law.
Mitch Raemsch
Fucking imbecile. Gravitation always wins.
No. Why does gravity win Alafalfa?
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Because, fucking stooopid, separated hadron mass less gravitational
binding energy after consolidation approaches zero. Because, fucking
stooopid, when surface escape velocty exceeds lightspeed it isn't in
the communicative universe anymore.
You really did arise from clay, didn't you. Go back to your god and
demand a refund.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2 |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:00 am Post subject: Re: Pauli Exclusion Principle for Neutrons |
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BURT wrote:
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On Jul 4, 8:31 pm, "Mike Jr." <n00s...@comcast.net> wrote:
On Jul 5, 12:14 am, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
If this is the principle that is more powerful than any force then
there will be no limit to neutron star's sizes. If the Pauli Exclusion
Principle is no barrier of itself then it is a law.
Mitch Raemsch
Ever hear of black holes?
In its original form, the Pauli exclusion principle asserted that no
two electrons in an atom can be in the same state or configuration at
the same time. The principle has since been generalized to include the
whole class of particles called fermions which include protons,
neutrons, electrons, and neutrinos.
It's not impossible, for example, to stick another electron into a
shell, but it will take a lot of energy. So the Pauli exclusion
principle just states how electrons normally behave, not how they
behave in very extreme environments. In a collapsing star the
gravitational energy is so big that all the particles get smashed
together, despite the exclusion principle.
--Mike Jr
How strong is the force of the Principle?
If it is a law it would be infinitely small.
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It's easier to think about if you create the simple model system that
every physics student knows-- the one-dimensional square potential well.
Place two spin-less non-interacting identical particles in it. (Okay, if
they're spinless they're bosons, so suppose the two spins are fixed in
some way, and you can ignore the spin parts of the wave functions
because they won't change. Or put three particles in there if you really
feel you have to, for net 1/2 spin.) Put the first particle in the
ground state, and the second particle in the next available energy
state, since they can't both be in identical states.
What is the force to compress the well? That would be change in energy
versus change in width, it's not hard to calculate. How does it compare
with bosons? Identical. So what's going on with that Pauli thing?
If they were bosons, or if they were non-identical particles, the one in
the excited state could release energy (e.g. a photon) and "condense"
into the ground state. Fermions can't, there's no lower state available
because it's already occupied. You can still make the system smaller by
squeezing the potential well, and it's perfectly fine for the particles
to overlap in space. The Pauli principle prevents them from having the
same wavefunction, not the same location. It would just be a little
easier to squeeze the potential well if the excited particle could shed
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:33 am Post subject: Re: Pauli Exclusion Principle for Neutrons |
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On Jul 5, 3:02 pm, Uncle Al <Uncle...@hate.spam.net> wrote:
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mitch.nicolas.raem...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jul 5, 9:17 am, Uncle Al <Uncle...@hate.spam.net> wrote:
BURT wrote:
If this is the principle that is more powerful than any force then
there will be no limit to neutron star's sizes. If the Pauli Exclusion
Principle is no barrier of itself then it is a law.
Mitch Raemsch
Fucking imbecile. Gravitation always wins.
No. Why does gravity win Alafalfa?
Because, fucking stooopid, separated hadron mass less gravitational
binding energy after consolidation approaches zero. Because, fucking
stooopid, when surface escape velocty exceeds lightspeed it isn't in
the communicative universe anymore.
You really did arise from clay, didn't you. Go back to your god and
demand a refund.
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Aspergian cretin, gravity never wins: http://google.com/groups?q=Autymn+fast+food+black+holes. |
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