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Are we falling toward it or it toward us?
If forces go to infinity when do forces become negligible?
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:31 pm Post subject: Re: What is the gravity of the nearest star system doing to |
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On Jul 7, 7:06 pm, Mitch Raemsch <mitch.nicolas.raem...@gmail.com>
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Are we falling toward it or it toward us?
If forces go to infinity when do forces become negligible?
Mitch Raemsch
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We are certainly experiencing a component of acceleration toward it.
Of course a ball tossed in the air is accelerating downwards both on
the way up and on the way down.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:06 am Post subject: Re: What is the gravity of the nearest star system doing to |
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On Jul 7, 8:06 pm, Mitch Raemsch <mitch.nicolas.raem...@gmail.com>
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Are we falling toward it or it toward us?
If forces go to infinity when do forces become negligible?
Mitch Raemsch
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xxein: The question should be 'do forces exist?' Some, to my dismay,
insist that there is only curvature. Like a pre-ordained condition.
It fails because the conditions change and so does the output
measurement of it.
Even if the measurement is completely subjective and communicative in
math, it can provide no greater objective understanding than that
which the subjective thinking and math supplies.
We have to learn to think beyond 'paint by numbers'.
You don't have to like a Piccaso painting, but you have to accept that
it exists.
This seems to be the stumbling block between our physics and the
physic. We just like to understand in a way we like. It becomes a
personal belief more than the physic, itself.
Needless to say, this has what generated the different religious
beliefs. "Oh, I feel more comfortable with believing in this way than
that". This has nothing to do with how our universe operates. Get
over it already.
It's not a belief of how this physic works that determines its
properties. It is the physic, itself.
I may not be the first to admit that I cannot understand the complete
physic, but, at least, I don't pretend to. There is much more to
learn even in it's gross presentation (let alone it's fine behavior). |
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John C. Polasek
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:42 am Post subject: Re: What is the gravity of the nearest star system doing to |
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On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:31:16 -0700 (PDT), PD
<TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Jul 7, 7:06 pm, Mitch Raemsch <mitch.nicolas.raem...@gmail.com
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Are we falling toward it or it toward us?
If forces go to infinity when do forces become negligible?
Mitch Raemsch
We are certainly experiencing a component of acceleration toward it.
Of course a ball tossed in the air is accelerating downwards both on
the way up and on the way down.
PD
Gravity from nearest star system? You mean besides the Sun. |
Our earth is captive with only 1/1600 of a gee from the sun and it's
near by. Gravity from distant stars should be negligible.
Even for Alpha Centauri, only 4 LY away it's around 1e-14 gees. |
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Androcles
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:10 am Post subject: Re: What is the gravity of the nearest star system doing to |
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<xxein1@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 7, 8:06 pm, Mitch Raemsch <mitch.nicolas.raem...@gmail.com>
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Are we falling toward it or it toward us?
If forces go to infinity when do forces become negligible?
Mitch Raemsch
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xxein: The question should be 'do forces exist?'
And the answer is it is an artefactual/superficially imposed yin-yang of
sorts, right? |
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Spaceman
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:07 am Post subject: Re: What is the gravity of the nearest star system doing to |
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John C. Polasek wrote:
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On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:31:16 -0700 (PDT), PD
TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 7, 7:06 pm, Mitch Raemsch <mitch.nicolas.raem...@gmail.com
wrote:
Are we falling toward it or it toward us?
If forces go to infinity when do forces become negligible?
Mitch Raemsch
We are certainly experiencing a component of acceleration toward it.
Of course a ball tossed in the air is accelerating downwards both on
the way up and on the way down.
PD
Gravity from nearest star system? You mean besides the Sun.
Our earth is captive with only 1/1600 of a gee from the sun and it's
near by. Gravity from distant stars should be negligible.
Even for Alpha Centauri, only 4 LY away it's around 1e-14 gees.
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Well, something is holding the Sun in it's orbit.
How much "g-force" is required for that?
Then don't forget, another silly little thing,
Something is holding the entire Milky Way Galaxy in an orbit also.
The coolest part is if you find where the orbit of the Galaxy is
centered around.. you actually find the center of the Universe.
Unless of course the Galaxy is in a yet larger system that has
yet another orbit.
:)
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James M Driscoll Jr
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Greg Neill
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:59 am Post subject: Re: What is the gravity of the nearest star system doing to |
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"Spaceman" <spaceman@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> wrote in message
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John C. Polasek wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:31:16 -0700 (PDT), PD
TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 7, 7:06 pm, Mitch Raemsch <mitch.nicolas.raem...@gmail.com
wrote:
Are we falling toward it or it toward us?
If forces go to infinity when do forces become negligible?
Mitch Raemsch
We are certainly experiencing a component of acceleration toward it.
Of course a ball tossed in the air is accelerating downwards both on
the way up and on the way down.
PD
Gravity from nearest star system? You mean besides the Sun.
Our earth is captive with only 1/1600 of a gee from the sun and it's
near by. Gravity from distant stars should be negligible.
Even for Alpha Centauri, only 4 LY away it's around 1e-14 gees.
Well, something is holding the Sun in it's orbit.
How much "g-force" is required for that?
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There's no minimum. All that matters is whether or not
the body experiencing the gravitational force (in this
case the solar system) is travelling at less than
escape velocity for the given potential.
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Then don't forget, another silly little thing,
Something is holding the entire Milky Way Galaxy in an orbit also.
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The local group of galaxies is in mutual orbit.
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The coolest part is if you find where the orbit of the Galaxy is
centered around.. you actually find the center of the Universe.
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No. There's no center.
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Unless of course the Galaxy is in a yet larger system that has
yet another orbit.
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It is, and it does. |
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Spaceman
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:42 am Post subject: Re: What is the gravity of the nearest star system doing to |
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Greg Neill wrote:
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"Spaceman" <spaceman@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> wrote in message
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John C. Polasek wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:31:16 -0700 (PDT), PD
TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 7, 7:06 pm, Mitch Raemsch <mitch.nicolas.raem...@gmail.com
wrote:
Are we falling toward it or it toward us?
If forces go to infinity when do forces become negligible?
Mitch Raemsch
We are certainly experiencing a component of acceleration toward
it. Of course a ball tossed in the air is accelerating downwards
both on the way up and on the way down.
PD
Gravity from nearest star system? You mean besides the Sun.
Our earth is captive with only 1/1600 of a gee from the sun and it's
near by. Gravity from distant stars should be negligible.
Even for Alpha Centauri, only 4 LY away it's around 1e-14 gees.
Well, something is holding the Sun in it's orbit.
How much "g-force" is required for that?
There's no minimum. All that matters is whether or not
the body experiencing the gravitational force (in this
case the solar system) is travelling at less than
escape velocity for the given potential.
Then don't forget, another silly little thing,
Something is holding the entire Milky Way Galaxy in an orbit also.
The local group of galaxies is in mutual orbit.
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Around what?
The center of the universe or some other force
of gravity?
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The coolest part is if you find where the orbit of the Galaxy is
centered around.. you actually find the center of the Universe.
No. There's no center.
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Then what holds the Galaxies in thier orbits?
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Unless of course the Galaxy is in a yet larger system that has
yet another orbit.
It is, and it does.
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So it is not a "UNI" verse and it is a multiverse.
That is silly.
Have you found the other "orbital" point?
oh wait.. you can't even find the first one because
you are "stuck in the box with no walls!
LOL
Nevermind Greg.
You will never get it.
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Greg Neill
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:04 am Post subject: Re: What is the gravity of the nearest star system doing to |
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"Spaceman" <spaceman@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> wrote in message
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Greg Neill wrote:
"Spaceman" <spaceman@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> wrote in message
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John C. Polasek wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:31:16 -0700 (PDT), PD
TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 7, 7:06 pm, Mitch Raemsch <mitch.nicolas.raem...@gmail.com
wrote:
Are we falling toward it or it toward us?
If forces go to infinity when do forces become negligible?
Mitch Raemsch
We are certainly experiencing a component of acceleration toward
it. Of course a ball tossed in the air is accelerating downwards
both on the way up and on the way down.
PD
Gravity from nearest star system? You mean besides the Sun.
Our earth is captive with only 1/1600 of a gee from the sun and
it's near by. Gravity from distant stars should be negligible.
Even for Alpha Centauri, only 4 LY away it's around 1e-14 gees.
Well, something is holding the Sun in it's orbit.
How much "g-force" is required for that?
There's no minimum. All that matters is whether or not
the body experiencing the gravitational force (in this
case the solar system) is travelling at less than
escape velocity for the given potential.
Then don't forget, another silly little thing,
Something is holding the entire Milky Way Galaxy in an orbit also.
The local group of galaxies is in mutual orbit.
Around what?
The center of the universe or some other force
of gravity?
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Eachother. Hence the phrase "mutual orbit".
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The coolest part is if you find where the orbit of the Galaxy is
centered around.. you actually find the center of the Universe.
No. There's no center.
Then what holds the Galaxies in thier orbits?
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Galaxy cluters, like the local group that we're
a part of, hold themselves together by gravity.
Just like the solar system holds itself together
by gravity. This is independent of of any other
orbit the ensemble may partake of as a whole.
Galaxies form clusters, clusters of galaxies form
into superclusters, and so on up to the largest
structures observed which appear to be great
sheets of galaxy superclusters forming a weblike
pattern throughout observable space.
Haven't you been keeping up with the developments?
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Unless of course the Galaxy is in a yet larger system that has
yet another orbit.
It is, and it does.
So it is not a "UNI" verse and it is a multiverse.
That is silly.
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No, it's just that the universe is larger than you
thought it was.
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Have you found the other "orbital" point?
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Look up "The Great Attractor" for the next level
or two up the scale. Then Google on "The Great Wall
galaxies" (insert the "galaxies" to distinguish the
astronomical one from the Chinese one).
At this scale you can't properly identify an "orbital
point", since we're looking at the gravitational fields
from great sheets of mass, not pointlike concentrations. |
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Spaceman
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:25 am Post subject: Re: What is the gravity of the nearest star system doing to |
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Greg Neill wrote:
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"Spaceman" <spaceman@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> wrote in message
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Greg Neill wrote:
"Spaceman" <spaceman@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> wrote in message
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John C. Polasek wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:31:16 -0700 (PDT), PD
TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 7, 7:06 pm, Mitch Raemsch
mitch.nicolas.raem...@gmail.com> wrote:
Are we falling toward it or it toward us?
If forces go to infinity when do forces become negligible?
Mitch Raemsch
We are certainly experiencing a component of acceleration toward
it. Of course a ball tossed in the air is accelerating downwards
both on the way up and on the way down.
PD
Gravity from nearest star system? You mean besides the Sun.
Our earth is captive with only 1/1600 of a gee from the sun and
it's near by. Gravity from distant stars should be negligible.
Even for Alpha Centauri, only 4 LY away it's around 1e-14 gees.
Well, something is holding the Sun in it's orbit.
How much "g-force" is required for that?
There's no minimum. All that matters is whether or not
the body experiencing the gravitational force (in this
case the solar system) is travelling at less than
escape velocity for the given potential.
Then don't forget, another silly little thing,
Something is holding the entire Milky Way Galaxy in an orbit also.
The local group of galaxies is in mutual orbit.
Around what?
The center of the universe or some other force
of gravity?
Eachother. Hence the phrase "mutual orbit".
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All of them (millions or billions or whatever amount now)
are orbiting around each other?
Wow.. you really must be dizzy!
LOL
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The coolest part is if you find where the orbit of the Galaxy is
centered around.. you actually find the center of the Universe.
No. There's no center.
Then what holds the Galaxies in thier orbits?
Galaxy cluters, like the local group that we're
a part of, hold themselves together by gravity.
Just like the solar system holds itself together
by gravity. This is independent of of any other
orbit the ensemble may partake of as a whole.
Galaxies form clusters, clusters of galaxies form
into superclusters, and so on up to the largest
structures observed which appear to be great
sheets of galaxy superclusters forming a weblike
pattern throughout observable space.
Haven't you been keeping up with the developments?
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And they must fly "straight" then?
OR are the all "at rest" wrt each other.
LOL
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So it is not a "UNI" verse and it is a multiverse.
That is silly.
No, it's just that the universe is larger than you
thought it was.
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Nope,
I think it is infinite.
Can't be larger than that.
sorry, you are wrong as usual but will never admit it.
:)
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Have you found the other "orbital" point?
Look up "The Great Attractor" for the next level
or two up the scale. Then Google on "The Great Wall
galaxies" (insert the "galaxies" to distinguish the
astronomical one from the Chinese one).
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So, you know what it all moves around and "holds it
and even pulls some of it in..
but you say... no center.
LOL
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At this scale you can't properly identify an "orbital
point", since we're looking at the gravitational fields
from great sheets of mass, not pointlike concentrations.
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Oh.. "sheets" of mass, like the rubber sheet that causes gravity.
AAAAHHHH OK..
sure!
ROFLOL!
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:13 pm Post subject: Re: What is the gravity of the nearest star system doing to |
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On Jul 7, 6:06 pm, Mitch Raemsch <mitch.nicolas.raem...@gmail.com>
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Are we falling toward it or it toward us?
If forces go to infinity when do forces become negligible?
Mitch Raemsch
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How many questions are there, Mitch? |
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PD
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:53 pm Post subject: Re: What is the gravity of the nearest star system doing to |
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On Jul 8, 6:42 pm, John C. Polasek <jpola...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
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On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:31:16 -0700 (PDT), PD
TheDraperFam...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 7, 7:06 pm, Mitch Raemsch <mitch.nicolas.raem...@gmail.com
wrote:
Are we falling toward it or it toward us?
If forces go to infinity when do forces become negligible?
Mitch Raemsch
We are certainly experiencing a component of acceleration toward it.
Of course a ball tossed in the air is accelerating downwards both on
the way up and on the way down.
PD
Gravity from nearest star system? You mean besides the Sun.
Our earth is captive with only 1/1600 of a gee from the sun and it's
near by. Gravity from distant stars should be negligible.
Even for Alpha Centauri, only 4 LY away it's around 1e-14 gees.
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Yup. I didn't say Earth was a captive orbit around a neighboring star.
But stars do move in local clusters, and in fact large collections of
local clusters are bound in a galaxy, even though the stars are at
interstellar distances from each other. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:26 pm Post subject: Re: What is the gravity of the nearest star system doing to |
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Don Stockbauer schrieb:
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How many questions are there, Mitch?
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Aleph, of course, if you assume a question to have a finite length.
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Mitch Raemsch
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:52 pm Post subject: Re: What is the gravity of the nearest star system doing to |
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On Jul 8, 2:31 pm, PD <TheDraperFam...@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Jul 7, 7:06 pm, Mitch Raemsch <mitch.nicolas.raem...@gmail.com
wrote:
Are we falling toward it or it toward us?
If forces go to infinity when do forces become negligible?
Mitch Raemsch
We are certainly experiencing a component of acceleration toward it.
Of course a ball tossed in the air is accelerating downwards both on
the way up and on the way down.
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No. Going up the ball decelerates.
Mitch Raemsch
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:19 pm Post subject: Re: What is the gravity of the nearest star system doing to |
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On Jul 9, 2:09 pm, Sanforized <sanfori...@naol.con> wrote:
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Mitch Raemsch wrote:
On Jul 8, 2:31 pm, PD <TheDraperFam...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 7, 7:06 pm, Mitch Raemsch <mitch.nicolas.raem...@gmail.com
wrote:
Are we falling toward it or it toward us?
If forces go to infinity when do forces become negligible?
Mitch Raemsch
We are certainly experiencing a component of acceleration toward it.
Of course a ball tossed in the air is accelerating downwards both on
the way up and on the way down.
No. Going up the ball decelerates.
Do you know how to use a dictionary or a science book?- Hide quoted text -
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If slowing down is an acceleration then the Gamma will always be going
up. Clearly this is wrong.
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