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 Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 7:20 pm Post subject: Re: When God Created Physics |
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On Jul 12, 5:53 pm, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Jul 12, 4:00 pm, walk...@easystreet.net wrote:
On Jul 11, 4:06 pm, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
He created our scientific journey.
"I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in the
spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts. All the
rest are just details." Albert Einstein
Mitch Raemsch
Why did your god create this particular set of physical laws and not
another? Did he sit down and do the calculations and some experiments
to see if it all worked together or did he just sort of barf up a
universe? Why did he need so much universe if he was going to populate
and focuse his attention on only one little speck within it? Why does
he continue to maintain so much universe? Couldn't he accomplish the
same thing with one planet only? Couldn't he have lighted and heated
a little planet by himself, without having to create a sun or
radioactivity? And why did he limit his creation to only a relative
handful of elements and then use only a small subset of those to
manufacture all of life? Couldn't he have breathed life into anything
and everything?
I mean, if he's all powerful, he could have just created us and
plonked us down on any old thing that didn't have to be part of a
larger system at all. Why does an all-powerful being need to create
or use any physical laws/properties at all? Perhaps your god was
limited by existing laws of physics, which would mean he wasn't all-
powerful.
Why would a god need to create bacteria (or viruses or ants or
trees . . .) if he wasn't going to offer them a chance to get into
heaven, as well? He could have endowed clams with consciousness and
made them his chosen critters if all he'd wanted was company,
something to control or something that would worship him. He could
certainly have made mankind able to survive in a vacuum and then there
would be no need to create an entire planetary support system, so why
all the extra stuff?
If you're going to insist that your god is the creator of everything -
and (I'm assuming here) insist that this view of life and the universe
be taught in science classes, you'll have to start thinking about
those questions, and more, and find ways to investigate them in a
scientific manner.
mlw
He created neutrons at the Big Bang by concentrating Dark energy.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 7:25 pm Post subject: Re: When God Created Physics |
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On Jul 13, 11:20 am, walk...@easystreet.net wrote:
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On Jul 12, 5:53 pm, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 12, 4:00 pm, walk...@easystreet.net wrote:
On Jul 11, 4:06 pm, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
He created our scientific journey.
"I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in the
spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts. All the
rest are just details." Albert Einstein
Mitch Raemsch
Why did your god create this particular set of physical laws and not
another? Did he sit down and do the calculations and some experiments
to see if it all worked together or did he just sort of barf up a
universe? Why did he need so much universe if he was going to populate
and focuse his attention on only one little speck within it? Why does
he continue to maintain so much universe? Couldn't he accomplish the
same thing with one planet only? Couldn't he have lighted and heated
a little planet by himself, without having to create a sun or
radioactivity? And why did he limit his creation to only a relative
handful of elements and then use only a small subset of those to
manufacture all of life? Couldn't he have breathed life into anything
and everything?
I mean, if he's all powerful, he could have just created us and
plonked us down on any old thing that didn't have to be part of a
larger system at all. Why does an all-powerful being need to create
or use any physical laws/properties at all? Perhaps your god was
limited by existing laws of physics, which would mean he wasn't all-
powerful.
Why would a god need to create bacteria (or viruses or ants or
trees . . .) if he wasn't going to offer them a chance to get into
heaven, as well? He could have endowed clams with consciousness and
made them his chosen critters if all he'd wanted was company,
something to control or something that would worship him. He could
certainly have made mankind able to survive in a vacuum and then there
would be no need to create an entire planetary support system, so why
all the extra stuff?
If you're going to insist that your god is the creator of everything -
and (I'm assuming here) insist that this view of life and the universe
be taught in science classes, you'll have to start thinking about
those questions, and more, and find ways to investigate them in a
scientific manner.
mlw
He created neutrons at the Big Bang by concentrating Dark energy.
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Why? How?
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He created neutrons by the strong field at the Big Bang by
concentrating Dark energy into C^2 points.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:59 pm Post subject: Re: When God Created Physics |
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On Jul 13, 12:36 pm, Sanforized <sanfori...@naol.con> wrote:
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BURT wrote:
On Jul 13, 11:20 am, walk...@easystreet.net wrote:
He created neutrons at the Big Bang by concentrating Dark energy.
Why? How?
He created neutrons by the strong field at the Big Bang by
concentrating Dark energy into C^2 points.
bow wow!
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So you're as low as a dog now san? |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:45 pm Post subject: Re: When God Created Physics |
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On Jul 13, 3:25 pm, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Jul 13, 11:20 am, walk...@easystreet.net wrote:
On Jul 12, 5:53 pm, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 12, 4:00 pm, walk...@easystreet.net wrote:
On Jul 11, 4:06 pm, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
He created our scientific journey.
"I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in the
spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts. All the
rest are just details." Albert Einstein
Mitch Raemsch
Why did your god create this particular set of physical laws and not
another? Did he sit down and do the calculations and some experiments
to see if it all worked together or did he just sort of barf up a
universe? Why did he need so much universe if he was going to populate
and focuse his attention on only one little speck within it? Why does
he continue to maintain so much universe? Couldn't he accomplish the
same thing with one planet only? Couldn't he have lighted and heated
a little planet by himself, without having to create a sun or
radioactivity? And why did he limit his creation to only a relative
handful of elements and then use only a small subset of those to
manufacture all of life? Couldn't he have breathed life into anything
and everything?
I mean, if he's all powerful, he could have just created us and
plonked us down on any old thing that didn't have to be part of a
larger system at all. Why does an all-powerful being need to create
or use any physical laws/properties at all? Perhaps your god was
limited by existing laws of physics, which would mean he wasn't all-
powerful.
Why would a god need to create bacteria (or viruses or ants or
trees . . .) if he wasn't going to offer them a chance to get into
heaven, as well? He could have endowed clams with consciousness and
made them his chosen critters if all he'd wanted was company,
something to control or something that would worship him. He could
certainly have made mankind able to survive in a vacuum and then there
would be no need to create an entire planetary support system, so why
all the extra stuff?
If you're going to insist that your god is the creator of everything -
and (I'm assuming here) insist that this view of life and the universe
be taught in science classes, you'll have to start thinking about
those questions, and more, and find ways to investigate them in a
scientific manner.
mlw
He created neutrons at the Big Bang by concentrating Dark energy.
Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text -
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Why? How?
mlw- Hide quoted text -
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He created neutrons by the strong field at the Big Bang by
concentrating Dark energy into C^2 points.
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Oh, I did the same. If you don't use the Dark Rune, the Koolook fleet
rams into the city and the game ends.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suikoden_IV
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:53 am Post subject: Re: When God Created Physics |
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On Jul 13, 2:35 pm, Sanforized <sanfori...@naol.con> wrote:
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Mitch Raemsch wrote:
On Jul 13, 12:36 pm, Sanforized <sanfori...@naol.con> wrote:
BURT wrote:
On Jul 13, 11:20 am, walk...@easystreet.net wrote:
He created neutrons at the Big Bang by concentrating Dark energy.
Why? How?
He created neutrons by the strong field at the Big Bang by
concentrating Dark energy into C^2 points.
bow wow!
So you're as low as a dog now san?
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:36 am Post subject: Re: When God Created Physics |
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BURT wrote:
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On Jul 13, 11:20 am, walk...@easystreet.net wrote:
He created neutrons at the Big Bang by concentrating Dark energy.
Why? How?
He created neutrons by the strong field at the Big Bang by
concentrating Dark energy into C^2 points.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:35 am Post subject: Re: When God Created Physics |
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Mitch Raemsch wrote:
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On Jul 13, 12:36 pm, Sanforized <sanfori...@naol.con> wrote:
BURT wrote:
On Jul 13, 11:20 am, walk...@easystreet.net wrote:
He created neutrons at the Big Bang by concentrating Dark energy.
Why? How?
He created neutrons by the strong field at the Big Bang by
concentrating Dark energy into C^2 points.
bow wow!
So you're as low as a dog now san?
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Nope, you're barking mad. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:49 am Post subject: Re: When God Created Physics |
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In article <da170238-51d8-47ad-bffe-565182debe45@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
panamfloyd@hotmail.com wrote:
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He created neutrons by the strong field at the Big Bang by
concentrating Dark energy into C^2 points.
Oh, I did the same. If you don't use the Dark Rune, the Koolook fleet
rams into the city and the game ends.
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we dont any neutrons existed before chadwick
arf meow arf - raggedy ann and andy for president and vice
limp and spineless lint for brains is better yet and nice
then rueing pair of shrub and dick the republican lice
call me desdenova seven seven seven seven seven seven |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:21 am Post subject: Re: When God Created Physics |
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On Jul 14, 7:16 pm, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:
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One fine day in alt.atheism, Mitch Raemsch
mitch.nicolas.raem...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 12, 8:41 pm, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
He created our scientific journey.
Including the wrong science of Genesis?
Exodus?
Deuteronomy?
The rest of the bible?
NO.
The only knowledge we have of this god comes from the bible, which does
contain wrong science - science that matches the knowledge level of people
who lived in the time the bible was written. If he created our scientific
journey, he gave us a bum steer, and only man himself could correct it -
even at the risk of being burnt alive at the stake for heresy.
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"How can cosmic religious feeling be communicated from one person to
another, if it can give rise to no definite notion of a God and no
theology? In my view, it is the most important function of art and
science to awaken this feeling and keep it alive in those who are
receptive to it. " Albert Einstein in Religion and Science
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Uncle Vic
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Separator of Church and Reason.
Convicted by Earthquack. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:16 am Post subject: Re: When God Created Physics |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, Mitch Raemsch
<mitch.nicolas.raemsch@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Jul 12, 8:41 pm, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
He created our scientific journey.
Including the wrong science of Genesis?
Exodus?
Deuteronomy?
The rest of the bible?
NO.
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The only knowledge we have of this god comes from the bible, which does
contain wrong science - science that matches the knowledge level of people
who lived in the time the bible was written. If he created our scientific
journey, he gave us a bum steer, and only man himself could correct it -
even at the risk of being burnt alive at the stake for heresy.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Separator of Church and Reason.
Convicted by Earthquack. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:45 am Post subject: Re: When God Created Physics |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, BURT <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Jul 14, 7:16 pm, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, Mitch Raemsch
mitch.nicolas.raem...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 12, 8:41 pm, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
He created our scientific journey.
Including the wrong science of Genesis?
Exodus?
Deuteronomy?
The rest of the bible?
NO.
The only knowledge we have of this god comes from the bible, which
does contain wrong science - science that matches the knowledge level
of people
who lived in the time the bible was written. If he created our
scientific
journey, he gave us a bum steer, and only man himself could correct
it - even at the risk of being burnt alive at the stake for heresy.
"How can cosmic religious feeling be communicated from one person to
another, if it can give rise to no definite notion of a God and no
theology?
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I don't know, I guess it can't.
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In my view, it is the most important function of art and
science to awaken this feeling and keep it alive in those who are
receptive to it. " Albert Einstein in Religion and Science
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"The mystical trend of our time, which shows itself particularly in the
rampant growth of the so-called Theosophy and Spiritualism, is for me no
more than a symptom of weakness and confusion. Since our inner
experiences consist of reproductions, and combinations of sensory
impressions, the concept of a soul without a body seem to me to be empty
and devoid of meaning."
[Albert Einstein, letter of 5 February 1921]
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Separator of Church and Reason.
Convicted by Earthquack. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:49 am Post subject: Re: When God Created Physics |
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On Jul 14, 7:45 pm, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:
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One fine day in alt.atheism, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 14, 7:16 pm, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, Mitch Raemsch
mitch.nicolas.raem...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 12, 8:41 pm, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
He created our scientific journey.
Including the wrong science of Genesis?
Exodus?
Deuteronomy?
The rest of the bible?
NO.
The only knowledge we have of this god comes from the bible, which
does contain wrong science - science that matches the knowledge level
of people
who lived in the time the bible was written. If he created our
scientific
journey, he gave us a bum steer, and only man himself could correct
it - even at the risk of being burnt alive at the stake for heresy.
"How can cosmic religious feeling be communicated from one person to
another, if it can give rise to no definite notion of a God and no
theology?
I don't know, I guess it can't.
In my view, it is the most important function of art and
science to awaken this feeling and keep it alive in those who are
receptive to it. " Albert Einstein in Religion and Science
"The mystical trend of our time, which shows itself particularly in the
rampant growth of the so-called Theosophy and Spiritualism, is for me no
more than a symptom of weakness and confusion. Since our inner
experiences consist of reproductions, and combinations of sensory
impressions, the concept of a soul without a body seem to me to be empty
and devoid of meaning."
[Albert Einstein, letter of 5 February 1921]
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Separator of Church and Reason.
Convicted by Earthquack.- Hide quoted text -
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At the end of his life he said the more he believed in a Creator.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:20 am Post subject: Re: When God Created Physics |
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On 16 Jul, 04:49, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Jul 14, 7:45 pm, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 14, 7:16 pm, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, Mitch Raemsch
mitch.nicolas.raem...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 12, 8:41 pm, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
He created our scientific journey.
Including the wrong science of Genesis?
Exodus?
Deuteronomy?
The rest of the bible?
NO.
The only knowledge we have of this god comes from the bible, which
does contain wrong science - science that matches the knowledge level
of people
who lived in the time the bible was written. If he created our
scientific
journey, he gave us a bum steer, and only man himself could correct
it - even at the risk of being burnt alive at the stake for heresy.
"How can cosmic religious feeling be communicated from one person to
another, if it can give rise to no definite notion of a God and no
theology?
I don't know, I guess it can't.
In my view, it is the most important function of art and
science to awaken this feeling and keep it alive in those who are
receptive to it. " Albert Einstein in Religion and Science
"The mystical trend of our time, which shows itself particularly in the
rampant growth of the so-called Theosophy and Spiritualism, is for me no
more than a symptom of weakness and confusion. Since our inner
experiences consist of reproductions, and combinations of sensory
impressions, the concept of a soul without a body seem to me to be empty
and devoid of meaning."
[Albert Einstein, letter of 5 February 1921]
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Separator of Church and Reason.
Convicted by Earthquack.
At the end of his life he said the more he believed in a Creator.
Mitch Raemsch.
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It really difficult to know how AE felt about the world at large. If
someone thought it might make a positive difference, he never refused
to support any cause, though, if you read through his stuff, there was
a low expectation of success. The League of Nations, for example,
almost certainly struck him as self-contradictory: 'league'?
It was not alone his physics that made him attractive to genuine
reformers: money made no impact on him at all, he hated convention,
exemplified by socks and ties, both of which he abhorred, and,
latterly, he couldn't even be bothered to switich on the lights in his
study. I think he retreated within himself, and unlike Ghandi and
Russell and Shaw, almost certainly felt that he could make no long-
term differences, though, to be sure, he supported them in their
endeavours.
I suspect he would have agreed with Fred Hoyle's 'The Intelligent
Universe' - rather than with the notion of a specific entity or person
cosmically engineering Life!
The latter, of course, is only less regressive than the former, though
more direct! The notion of an endowing and omnipotent Creator would
have struck him as absurd, though not, I am sure, extra-dimensional
physics, including, for example an extra quark per electron!
Was he religious? You bet! All the same, he would have ticked the box
for spiritual, for what, I hope, are obvious reasons.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:03 am Post subject: Re: When God Created Physics |
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BURT wrote:
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On Jul 14, 7:45 pm, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 14, 7:16 pm, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, Mitch Raemsch
mitch.nicolas.raem...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 12, 8:41 pm, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
He created our scientific journey.
Including the wrong science of Genesis?
Exodus?
Deuteronomy?
The rest of the bible?
NO.
The only knowledge we have of this god comes from the bible, which
does contain wrong science - science that matches the knowledge level
of people
who lived in the time the bible was written. If he created our
scientific
journey, he gave us a bum steer, and only man himself could correct
it - even at the risk of being burnt alive at the stake for heresy.
"How can cosmic religious feeling be communicated from one person to
another, if it can give rise to no definite notion of a God and no
theology?
I don't know, I guess it can't.
In my view, it is the most important function of art and
science to awaken this feeling and keep it alive in those who are
receptive to it. " Albert Einstein in Religion and Science
"The mystical trend of our time, which shows itself particularly in the
rampant growth of the so-called Theosophy and Spiritualism, is for me no
more than a symptom of weakness and confusion. Since our inner
experiences consist of reproductions, and combinations of sensory
impressions, the concept of a soul without a body seem to me to be empty
and devoid of meaning."
[Albert Einstein, letter of 5 February 1921]
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Separator of Church and Reason.
Convicted by Earthquack.- Hide quoted text -
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At the end of his life he said the more he believed in a Creator.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:27 pm Post subject: Re: When God Created Physics |
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On Jul 16, 2:12 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
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BURT wrote:
On Jul 14, 7:45 pm, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 14, 7:16 pm, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, Mitch Raemsch
mitch.nicolas.raem...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 12, 8:41 pm, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
He created our scientific journey.
Including the wrong science of Genesis?
Exodus?
Deuteronomy?
The rest of the bible?
NO.
The only knowledge we have of this god comes from the bible, which
does contain wrong science - science that matches the knowledge level
of people
who lived in the time the bible was written. If he created our
scientific
journey, he gave us a bum steer, and only man himself could correct
it - even at the risk of being burnt alive at the stake for heresy.
"How can cosmic religious feeling be communicated from one person to
another, if it can give rise to no definite notion of a God and no
theology?
I don't know, I guess it can't.
In my view, it is the most important function of art and
science to awaken this feeling and keep it alive in those who are
receptive to it. " Albert Einstein in Religion and Science
"The mystical trend of our time, which shows itself particularly in the
rampant growth of the so-called Theosophy and Spiritualism, is for me no
more than a symptom of weakness and confusion. Since our inner
experiences consist of reproductions, and combinations of sensory
impressions, the concept of a soul without a body seem to me to be empty
and devoid of meaning."
[Albert Einstein, letter of 5 February 1921]
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Separator of Church and Reason.
Convicted by Earthquack.- Hide quoted text -
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At the end of his life he said the more he believed in a Creator. |
Cite?
Unfortunately I don't rememeber where he wrote it.
But it started earlier in his life.
"I want to know how God created this universe. I am not interested in
the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts. All
the rest are just details."
Mitch Raemsch
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* "I distrust those people who know so well what God *
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* --Susan B. Anthony *
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