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 Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 3:32 am Post subject: molecular structure via self-field theory and a new quantum |
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Inside the hydrogen atom photon substructure known via self-field
theory introduces no new physics beyond that given by quantum
mechanics. Within molecules however, photon substructure introduces a
previously unknown quantum number by which molecular bonds can range
between strong and weak structures.
This photon mechanism appears involved in a number of important
energy/
temperature dependent molecular processes. The cell cycle and other
biological processes may well depend on the various hydration
structures found within DNA and other biological protein structures.
There are also physical phenomena that show dependence on hydrogen
bonding, or on the innate spectroscopy of the ordinary photon.
This work will be presented at EHE07 September 10-12 2007 at Wroclaw
Poland.
http://www.unifiedphysics.com/Molecular%20Structure_june_2007.pdf |
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Y.Porat
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:50 am Post subject: Re: molecular structure via self-field theory and a new quan |
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On Jun 20, 1:29 am, tony fleming <tflemi...@hotkey.net.au> wrote:
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Inside the hydrogen atom photon substructure known via self-field
theory introduces no new physics beyond that given by quantum
mechanics. Within molecules however, photon substructure introduces a
previously unknown quantum number by which molecular bonds can range
between strong and weak structures.
This photon mechanism appears involved in a number of important energy/
temperature dependent molecular processes. The cell cycle and other
biological processes may well depend on the various hydration
structures found within DNA and other biological protein structures.
There are also physical phenomena that show dependence on hydrogen
bonding, or on the innate spectroscopy of the ordinary photon.
This work will be presented at EHE07 September 10-12 2007 at Wroclaw
Poland.
http://www.unifiedphysics.com/Molecular%20Structure_june_2007.pdf
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about waht yoyu said :
quote:
''Within molecules however, photon substructure introduces a
previously unknown quantum number by which molecular bonds can range
between strong and weak structures. ''
end of quote
see amy site abpout the
'chain of orbitals isea
presented upon the Alpha particle
and its structure right at the beginning
and see later the idea of
'medium oribitals ''
and later even numerically aboutthe
quantum nature of binding energies:
oas multiples of
0.00125 AMU
do you see any connection
with your findings ??
http://www.geocities.com/porat_y/mypage.html
ATB
Y.Porat
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tony fleming
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:13 am Post subject: Re: molecular structure via self-field theory and a new quan |
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On Jun 20, 12:50 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Jun 20, 1:29 am, tony fleming <tflemi...@hotkey.net.au> wrote:
Inside the hydrogen atom photon substructure known via self-field
theory introduces no new physics beyond that given by quantum
mechanics. Within molecules however, photon substructure introduces a
previously unknown quantum number by which molecular bonds can range
between strong and weak structures.
This photon mechanism appears involved in a number of important energy/
temperature dependent molecular processes. The cell cycle and other
biological processes may well depend on the various hydration
structures found within DNA and other biological protein structures.
There are also physical phenomena that show dependence on hydrogen
bonding, or on the innate spectroscopy of the ordinary photon.
This work will be presented at EHE07 September 10-12 2007 at Wroclaw
Poland.
http://www.unifiedphysics.com/Molecular%20Structure_june_2007.pdf
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about waht yoyu said :
quote:
''Within molecules however, photon substructure introduces a
previously unknown quantum number by which molecular bonds can range
between strong and weak structures. ''
end of quote
see amy site abpout the
'chain of orbitals isea
presented upon the Alpha particle
and its structure right at the beginning
and see later the idea of
'medium oribitals ''
and later even numerically aboutthe
quantum nature of binding energies:
oas multiples of
0.00125 AMU
do you see any connection
with your findings ??
http://www.geocities.com/porat_y/mypage.html
ATB
Y.Porat
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g'day yves, shall do. give me a night to get my thoughts together mon
ami. |
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Y.Porat
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:02 am Post subject: Re: molecular structure via self-field theory and a new quan |
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On Jun 21, 3:07 am, tony fleming <tflemi...@hotkey.net.au> wrote:
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On Jun 20, 7:51 pm, The_Man <me_so_hornee...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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I haven't done the calculations yet, but as an avid reader of Paulus
Linus's early books on chemistry, i'm aware of this particular
problem. He specified the various bond-types, ionic, covalent, etc,
and i'm just coming to an understanding of these bond-types from a SFT
point of view. I can tell you this though, the QM methods you are
talking about are numerical at their heart because the potential
function means that atoms larger than H can't be analytically
obtained, e.g. helium etc. This is not the case with the field-form
used in SFT, we find that these potential functions CAN be obtained
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anyway
it turnes out that the qm solusion
is not a 'final solusion ' !!
it is far from a cpmplete solusion
and th e proofe it is not a complete comprehensive solusion
is that
it i s stuck while comming to the heaviest
Atoms !!
Y.Porat
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Y.Porat
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:42 am Post subject: Re: molecular structure via self-field theory and a new quan |
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On Jun 21, 6:13 am, The_Man <me_so_hornee...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Jun 20, 8:07 pm, tony fleming <tflemi...@hotkey.net.au> wrote:
On Jun 20, 7:51 pm, The_Man <me_so_hornee...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 6:29 pm, tony fleming <tflemi...@hotkey.net.au> wrote:
Inside the hydrogen atom photon substructure known via self-field
theory introduces no new physics beyond that given by quantum
mechanics. Within molecules however, photon substructure introduces a
previously unknown quantum number by which molecular bonds can range
between strong and weak structures.
This photon mechanism appears involved in a number of important energy/
temperature dependent molecular processes. The cell cycle and other
biological processes may well depend on the various hydration
structures found within DNA and other biological protein structures.
There are also physical phenomena that show dependence on hydrogen
bonding, or on the innate spectroscopy of the ordinary photon.
This work will be presented at EHE07 September 10-12 2007 at Wroclaw
Poland.
http://www.unifiedphysics.com/Molecular%20Structure_june_2007.pdf
Since the hydrogen atom problem completely solvable within the
schroedinger equation (and, in fact, was solved by 1926), what
advantage does your solution have over Schreodinger's?
I disagree that it was completely solvable. yes, it was 'solved'
using QM, but first QM incorporates the probabilistics of Hilbert's
inner products, rather than the force balance equations of Lorentz'
equation and the virial theorem. so it is mathematically different to
self-field theory's solution which is entirely dynamic, and therefore
totally known at all times - the field is NOT the old Coulomb or Biot-
Savart forms of electric and magnetic fields, it takes account of the
substructure within the photon, and so it does NOT use the point-
charge to point-charge distance, but a distance that depends on two
orthogonal directions, i.e. between rotations that are performed by
the charges.
another big difference is that there are no fields OUTSIDE of the
atom, unlike the wave functions of QM which are assumed to exist to
infinity. We find that becuase there is an internal balance between
the self-fields, there is NO radiation beyond the electron.
so instead of 'clouds of probability', actual dynamic motions are
obtained. this is the big advantage.
this advantage therefore gives us a much clearer picture of the atomic
mechanisms. for instance we find the photon is critical in
maintaining the atomic balance even though the (Bohr-) solution
doesn't change (becuase it is a particular model of H). the photon
mediates the balance of forces by colliding with both the electron and
proton, and transitting between the two largere particles.
Is the H2 molecule solvable by your methods? How do your results for
H2 compare with the results of large basis set Hartree-Fock, DFT, MPn,
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I haven't done the calculations yet, but as an avid reader of Paulus
Linus's early books on chemistry, i'm aware of this particular
problem. He specified the various bond-types, ionic, covalent, etc,
and i'm just coming to an understanding of these bond-types from a SFT
point of view. I can tell you this though, the QM methods you are
talking about are numerical at their heart because the potential
function means that atoms larger than H can't be analytically
obtained, e.g. helium etc. This is not the case with the field-form
used in SFT, we find that these potential functions CAN be obtained
analytically
The inability to solve atoms larger than hydrogen is not a significant
problem. By the variational theorem, we can get as close to the true
solution by using an infinitely flexible basis set. Even at the
Hartree-Fock limit, complete configuration will give the answer.
Also, by the Kohn-Sham theorem, with the right density functional, an
exact solution to any chemical problem can be achieved.
Does your solution for hydrogen geth the excited states correct? DOes
it accurately predict the transition probabilities between states?
Does it acurate calculate the spin-orbit interaction? Does it get the
right (relativistic) g value for the electron?
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there is one thing you should stick into your mind:
and abstarct formula or equation
cannever solve comprehensively the physical reality
it is jsut a model a very partical model
even my model is partial
but it gives a new view on relality
i wouls say just another
angle of view of realtlity
reality is as now too hiden
to be grasped completely
we can do it jsut by step by step
comming closer to it
and what i did is jsut a step forwards
not a sufficent one but a step --
a very meaningful one .
ATB
Y.Porat
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tony fleming
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| Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 7:07 am Post subject: Re: molecular structure via self-field theory and a new quan |
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On Jun 20, 8:32 am, tony fleming <tflemi...@hotkey.net.au> wrote:
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Inside the hydrogen atom photon substructure known via self-field
theory introduces no new physics beyond that given by quantum
mechanics. Within molecules however, photon substructure introduces a
previously unknown quantum number by which molecular bonds can range
between strong and weak structures.
This photon mechanism appears involved in a number of important
energy/
temperature dependent molecular processes. The cell cycle and other
biological processes may well depend on the various hydration
structures found within DNA and other biological protein structures.
There are also physical phenomena that show dependence on hydrogen
bonding, or on the innate spectroscopy of the ordinary photon.
This work will be presented at EHE07 September 10-12 2007 at Wroclaw
Poland.
http://www.unifiedphysics.com/Molecular%20Structure_june_2007.pdf
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On Jun 21, 4:25 pm, tony fleming <tflemi...@hotkey.net.au> wrote:
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On Jun 21, 1:31 pm, Don Stockbauer <donstockba...@hotmail.com> wrote:
The self-field theory. That sounds very interesting! Could you
possibly give us an explanation of it? I'd love to see it.
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well first of all go back to Lorentz and Abraham around the start of
the 20th century. there's a few papers they wrote on self fields and
the back reaction on a particle due to its won fields.
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the first part of self-field theory is to realise that the hydrogen
atom can be approximated to have TWO em particles.
these two particles? yes, they emit 'raditaion' when they move on a
curved arc, as we have all known for many decades; actually they emit
photons, they DONT radiate into the far-field, a small but important
distinction. Since they BOTH emit photons, these two sets of photons
can balance one another according to Maxwell's equations, the Lorentz
equation of force balance and the virial eqns relating potential and
kinetic energies.
now this in a nutshell is self-field theory.
notice that there is no inner product as in QM, and hence the
equations can be solved for ACTUAL DYNAMICS and not expected values.
BUT this is just the start, we can also insert THREE point-quarks as
well, and thus the hydogren atom can have a realistic nucleus. this
too can be solved as an eigenvalue problem, a larger one, but an
eigenvalue problem pure and simple. |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:33 am Post subject: Re: molecular structure via self-field theory and a new quan |
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On Jun 24, 12:07 pm, tony fleming <tflemi...@hotkey.net.au> wrote:
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On Jun 20, 8:32 am, tony fleming <tflemi...@hotkey.net.au> wrote:
Inside the hydrogen atom photon substructure known via self-field
theory introduces no new physics beyond that given by quantum
mechanics. Within molecules however, photon substructure introduces a
previously unknown quantum number by which molecular bonds can range
between strong and weak structures.
This photon mechanism appears involved in a number of important
energy/
temperature dependent molecular processes. The cell cycle and other
biological processes may well depend on the various hydration
structures found within DNA and other biological protein structures.
There are also physical phenomena that show dependence on hydrogen
bonding, or on the innate spectroscopy of the ordinary photon.
This work will be presented at EHE07 September 10-12 2007 at Wroclaw
Poland.
http://www.unifiedphysics.com/Molecular%20Structure_june_2007.pdf
On Jun 21, 4:25 pm, tony fleming <tflemi...@hotkey.net.au> wrote:
On Jun 21, 1:31 pm, Don Stockbauer <donstockba...@hotmail.com> wrote:
The self-field theory. That sounds very interesting! Could you
possibly give us an explanation of it? I'd love to see it.
well first of all go back to Lorentz and Abraham around the start of
the 20th century. there's a few papers they wrote on self fields and
the back reaction on a particle due to its won fields.
the first part of self-field theory is to realise that the hydrogen
atom can be approximated to have TWO em particles.
these two particles? yes, they emit 'raditaion' when they move on a
curved arc, as we have all known for many decades; actually they emit
photons, they DONT radiate into the far-field, a small but important
distinction. Since they BOTH emit photons, these two sets of photons
can balance one another according to Maxwell's equations, the Lorentz
equation of force balance and the virial eqns relating potential and
kinetic energies.
now this in a nutshell is self-field theory.
notice that there is no inner product as in QM, and hence the
equations can be solved for ACTUAL DYNAMICS and not expected values.
BUT this is just the start, we can also insert THREE point-quarks as
well, and thus the hydogren atom can have a realistic nucleus. this
too can be solved as an eigenvalue problem, a larger one, but an
eigenvalue problem pure and simple.- Hide quoted text -
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what the mechanism boils down to is a photon exchange process between
atoms in such a way as to maintain the coherency of the molecular
structure. this means there are various molecular bond lengths and
atomic speeds (speed of electron, neutron, and proton such as to
maintain the structure. in other words another pair of spinors that
'enlargens' the overall eigenvalue structure |
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